What Earns Trust - RFK Jr vs. Dr Hotez, Lab-Grown Meat | Ep 8

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Trust Factor with Rob Greenley, focuses
on all aspects to building human trust in

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online communications. In this week's show, how is trust earned and how trust

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is aligned with truth? New this
week, I'm going to cover some top

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news headlines from last week that will
challenge our perception of trust as examples.

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So Rob Greenley here again, thank
you for joining me here back on the

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show. I appreciate you spending time
and joining me here. I appreciate it

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so much. The trust factor in
our live is essential and profoundly impacts our

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happiness, security and safety. So
the information all around us needs to be

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evaluated based on our gut filter,
our feeling of authenticity, believability shown experience

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on the part of someone that's trying
to get trust, and thinking about conflicts

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of interest as a backdrop to all
new and controversial data or basic information.

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So trust building is the number one
factor really in all of our lives right

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now. So what I'm going to
do with this show, I'm going to

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take it in a new direction to
some degree, and I'm trying new things.

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I'm experimenting with different formats and so
bear with me and let's head down

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this new direction. This week.
I'm going to cover some news from last

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week that are topics that raise or
lower our levels of trust based on the

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evidence based, rationale, common sense
based perceived truths. Right, So,

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as we think about the things that
we hear in our world around us in

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the news headlines, what passes a
test of rational, common sense and perceive

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truth And one example that I wanted
to show today was a fairly significant breaking

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story that happened basically around the Joe
Rogan podcast. So what I'm going to

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do is pull that there's an article
that appeared on this topic that basically it

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was r FK Jr. Who's a
presidential candidate. He basically went on to

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Joe Rogan podcast and he delivered an
in depth overview of vaccines and childhood kind

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of injuries and various diseases that he
talked about on the podcast. So what

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this sparked was a desire on the
part of some online Joe Rogan, Elon

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Musk and others to challenge a person
who is out there known as an expert

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and in vaccines. His namers,
Peter Hotez and Joe Rogan threw it out

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that he would offer him one hundred
thousand dollars to come on his podcast with

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Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who's
running for president, to talk about all

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of the issues around misinformation, of
accurate and truth just I think generally,

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but more focused on the theories around
what's happening with the COVID and treatments and

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the efficacies and the safety of the
treatments that has happened. And there's this

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tension that exists between all these parties, whether it'd be Joe Rogan, Elon

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Musk and a few others who were
bidding up to two point six million dollars

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to donate to a charity, if
Peter Hotez, a vaccine scientist, would

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come on the Joe Rogan podcast.
And my comment on this is really as

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it really lates to trust, is
it? Do you think and if you've

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had a chance to actually look at
this article or look at the tweets that

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have gone on around this in the
topics, if you happen to watch the

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conversation that Joe Rogan had with RFK
Jr. I'm turning it out to you

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to say what passes your trust test
on this? Do you think Peter Hotez

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declining because so far He's declined this
offerer of all this money to go to

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a charity to come on the Joe
Rogan podcast and talk about all these issues

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and clear the air of sorts.
And I'm all in favor of everyone getting

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together and talking about this stuff.
I'm not saying this because there's a certain

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kind of agenda that I'm trying to
push forward. I think there are other

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ways of looking at this. There's
a variety of different ways of looking at

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this. And one thing that builds
trust is when all parties that disagree get

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together and talk about an issue and
bring evidence and bring confirmation that we can

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all come together. And do you
think that this effort on the part of

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Joe Rogan and the decline Peter Hotez, which is a who is a vaccine

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expert to come on and talk about
this and try and debunk some of the

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things that RFK Junior has stated on
the podcast about the efficacy of the COVID

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treatments. Do you trust Peter that
he's being truthful here, he's trustworthy as

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an authority or even is he accurate
to even face being on this program and

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being challenged with his thoughts and does
that put him in a less than incredible

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light when everybody else wants to talk
about these issues that he doesn't appear to

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be willing to do that. So
what do you think, once you put

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it in the comments, if you
happen to take a position on this or

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think that we should just blindly trust
Peter Hotez that he's got his scientific basis

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for his position here and that RFK
just doesn't doesn't have the facts. I

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know. I want to find out
what's what the truth is here and what

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is what I can believe in,
what I can trust. So yeah,

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just give me your comments and your
thoughts on this, and would love to

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hear your thoughts on this if you
even followed it or not, I'd be

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really curious. Let's move on to
the next topic. So what I wanted

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to talk about was the I'll share
the screen again and you can see this

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screenshots the the USDA has here.
It's coming up on the screen. The

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USDA has approved its first lab grown
meat in the US. I don't know

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if all of you saw the headlines
on this. Scientists and food safety experts,

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I guess are still not sold on
it. I guess the US Department

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of Agriculture last Wednesday approved the sale
of lab grown meat for the first time,

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in giving to California based food technology
startups the green light to make and

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sell chicken grown in a lab from
animal cells. So that's the main story

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here. Do we want to trust
that the food companies and science can actually

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healthily replicate meat for all of us
to concern for all of us to consume

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under the perception that maybe maybe it's
not good for our climate or our planet

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to have livestock, and maybe it's
unethical to kill animals in the sake of

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food. So I can see all
the arguments for this and why we might

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want to move this direction. There's
concerns about general cruelty to animals, But

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the big question is do you trust
that this increasing move towards food companies in

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making lab grown replacement meat. This
has been going on for a long time.

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There's the Impossible Burger that's been around
for a long time that's also based

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on lab grown meat. But they're
claiming that this is real meat because it's

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based on animal cells. What to
see on that is that going to be

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as healthy as for human beings as
grass fed meat, which is what I

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consume is I consume mostly as much
grass fed meat as I can because it's

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generally known that there's more nutrients in
that. Meat that generally is more like

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grain fed or corn fed typically doesn't
have the nutrient profile to be as good

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for the human body. So you
know, until there's more tests. And

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this is a common thread that's going
on here that all these whether it be

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treatments for viruses or lab grown meat, we need to verify and trust that

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these things are healthy for our bodies
and that it's not going to cause more

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problems than we're trying to solve.
And the last question that I want to

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pose on this article too, is
do you trust that the increasing kind of

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decisions on the part of the USDA
are valid These type of decisions we're going

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to see increasingly from the FDA and
from the USDA, do we trust them

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when much of their funding comes from
either the food industry or big pharma.

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It gets back to is it is
it reasonable to think that maybe there's some

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influence it's there that may be going
on because of the funding that's coming in

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from in this case, the food
industry or the pharmaceutical industry into these regulatory

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agencies that maybe there's some influence going
on there, and I think it raises

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question on lots of fronts on that
side, So I wanted to give credit.

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As you've seen on the screen,
the Defender is the website that I'm

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pulling some of these stories from because
they're raising just some valid questions about the

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things and a lot of the changes
that are being contemplated in the world.

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And this is one of the big
reasons why I think trust is such a

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big issue. So let me knock
down that article and we can move on

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I wanted to talk about here is
our kind of trust factor topics of the

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week. Those are two concepts that
I wanted to share here, and one

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is how is trust earned? And
trust is aligned with truth? So we

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have these kind of similar topics,
but in really indeed, pondering how trust

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is earned can be a pretty pretty
valuable exercise in all of our lives.

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And as we just ran through in
the earlier parts of the show, I

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think it's good fodder or good kind
of like material to apply some of these

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concepts too, and how we think
about trust and truth those kind of run

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together in a lot of ways.
But plus, I do know that we've

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talked a little bit in past episodes
about earning trust, but let's run through

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them again as a backdrop to the
overall topic of the alignment of truth and

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trust. So I would say that
trust is often built through consistent and reliable

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actions that basically align with one's words, in one's actions, and the intentions

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that we have. It basically involves
being provable, honest, keeping promises,

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and demonstrating competence and expertise in a
particular area or topic. This gets back

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to the earlier things that we were
talking about too. Are those companies and

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those individuals are they really verifiable in
what they're doing? Are they demonstrating competence?

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Are they if they're an expertise in
their area, that's terrific, But

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are the things that they're saying provable? Do you feel like they're honest and

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they're keeping their promises? So sometimes
what people do and what people say don't

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always align perfectly with those things.
But building trust also requires active listening,

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and having some empathy and understanding.
These qualities contribute to understanding and establishing meaningful

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connections with other people in your lives
and larger communities and things like that.

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So ultimately, trust is a gradual
process that grows over time, So it

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takes consistent effort and builds over time
as people observe and experience their reliability and

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the integrity of others in their lives. Trust is closely aligned with truth,

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So truthfulness is a fundamental element in
building and maintaining trust. So we all

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have to work hard to be as
truthful. And I'm not an idealist on

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this. I know that there are
times and it's unfortunately this is the case,

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but there are times that we aren't
always one hundred percent truthful. Agree

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that. I think if you're thinking
about this, you're probably thinking, I

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can't always be one hundred percent truthful
one hundred percent all the time because that

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might be hurtful to others, And
I sympathize with that. But it is

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a fundamental element to building and maintaining
trust with others that they have a perception

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that you're truthful and that you're communicating
in a way that is trustworthy. And

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I think that's the way to take
away from it, because people, all

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of us have thoughts that are not
that if we shared them, they would

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be honest and they would be truthful, but they would also be harmful,

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and so I think we have to
balance truth with some degree harm. Now,

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most truths are not harmful, but
there are some that can be.

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So when someone consistently tells the truth, or at least it feels like they're

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telling the truth, and acts in
a truthful manner, it does establish a

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foundation of trust. Provable trustfulness creates
confidence, but it also it's also something

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that we all have to be pragmatic
about. We all have to have a

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balance in Trust is often eroded when
there is a provable breach of trust.

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So this is the other end of
the spectrum. Right, Honesty can be

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disclosed in a less than truthful way. Right, the truth comes out as

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the concept goes, and trust can
be either broken or it can be just

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chipped away. Right, So they're
small little things that chip away at trust.

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Those can accumulate over time as well
to give suspicion and people have to

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kind of walk carefully around truthfulness as
well because of that. But when something

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is provable as a breach of trust, such as dishonesty or deception, which

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is think about. We're all human, These things happen. People don't always

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say the truth about things in their
lives. And there's a lot of situations

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in the world in general now that
one could interpret. And this gets back

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to some of the things we were
talking about earlier in the program. There

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is a possibility of deception when some
one has something to hide, or there

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is an agenda, or there's a
certain kind of narrative, or there's a

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certain kind of maybe it's just a
basic it's an opinion that someone has that

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may be perceived as a deception or
a dishonest opinion. So these are complicated

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issues, and I know I've been
very kind of black and white about them

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in earlier episodes, but I do
want to get into the kind of the

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gray area of these topics too and
try and figure out ways that I can

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be more balanced about it, but
yet also very clear about them. And

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it's also there's another twist of this
too. When truthfulness is upheld and demonstrated

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consistently, it strengthens and it gets
more trust, and it reinforces the belief

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that one can rely on the words
and actions of others. So what it

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has is a culmination effect, or
it has a steam roller effect. So

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if you can surround yourself with people
or organizations, or maybe in this case

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it would be country or a world
where we felt like we could honestly believe

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everything that's said to us, whether
it be our family or our organization that

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we work for, or our government
or some sort of global government. It

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would be great if there was some
consistency of putting it out there that and

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provable evidence that we can trust what's
being pushed, especially when a lot of

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these things that we're seeing in our
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or major changes. It's like this
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There is so much uncertainty and so
much feeling of not being able to trust

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what we're being told about this technology. We're just not getting the whole story,

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or it's not being explained to us
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for us to lower our anxiety about
what's happening in the world. So that's

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my hope, and that's why I'm
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well. And I did get some
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I did talk a lot about the
mistrust of artificial intelligence and how that is

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a challenge for all of us.
So Livestream Universe, thank you Ross.

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His comment was such a well balanced
overview of AI. Thank you Ross.

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I appreciate that I'm doing the best
I can. It's a complicated topic,

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and I would I'm planning on digging
in even deeper into this as I move

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into this kind of next phase of
trying to work through the process and try

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and share this topic that I'm covering
more from trying to apply it to the

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real world and apply it to things
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that we're seeing and changes in our
world as hopefully a filter to ask the

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question, ask the right questions about
whether our trust exists in those changes.

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And then another comment was from Rebecca
Gunter. She comments, the spectrum of

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the potential impacts of errors is profound. AI is consequential, right, how

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do we know what's real? I
think, Rebecca, that's a terrific question,

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and that's one of the opportunities of
AI, and that's one of the

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challenges to us as humans, as
we contemplate the expansive power and the abilities

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of the artificial intelligence technology to invent
and create and replicate and to make what

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we may perceive as life or the
representation of life become artificial, and that

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raises all sorts of complex issues of
trust. And at the end of the

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day, are we going to see
this technology be increasingly integrated into the human

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experience, which is going to challenge
all of us If this technology gets embedded

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into our brains or increasingly we're with
our smartphones, We're becoming part of a

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global technology collective of sorts, interconnected
beings with currently with autonomous independent thought that

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are contributing to a global network that
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And we're going to see that data
that we're putting into this collective network kind

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of coalesce into potentially a new kind
of life form and are we going to

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trust what comes from that? Sorry, I'm going to wrap up this episode

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for this week. This was another
venture into another format and another kind of

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show concept, and I appreciate you
hanging with me on this. Please give

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me feedback on this, and I'm
going to continue to work hard to try

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and get better and to improve the
show and dive into topics that you care

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about as well. And like I
said, thank you for joining me here

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in episode eight of this series,
and definitely look for me over on YouTube.

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So we're also increasingly putting this show
out over on another platform called Rumble,

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so you'll start to see shows over
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So we'll see that to some degree, some video creators are increasingly putting

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video out on that alternative viewing platform
called Rumble. So if you have any

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interest in checking out some of the
content over there as well, I think

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it's a good idea as well.
But keep falling here on YouTube. I

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am contemplating trying to do this live
on Monday mornings, so that may be

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the next thing that you see for
me is this program. Thank you so

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much for being here with me,
and I hope you come back and check

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out the show again. So thank
you. Trust Factor with Rob Greenley focuses

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on all aspects to building human trust
in online communications.