Can Humans Ever TRUST AI + AGI and Billionaires? NO! Why? | Ep 11

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In episode eleven of Trust Factor with
Rob Greenley. One big topic this week

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should we trust who and where AI
gets information on each of us? And

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some other big topics I want to
talk about it in the episode today is

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do you trust or should we trust
people who have massive wealth and power as

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it relates to AI and the changes
that are happening in our world? And

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do we trust these people? And
are the powerful looking out for the other

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eight billion people on this planet in
human civilization? So? And are some

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seeking or seeing the larger population of
the Earth as a threat. And I'm

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also going to talk about a comment
that I got from episode ten, which

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I realized was a few weeks ago, and I've now kind of rebranded the

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show and got it up and going
again. Let's jump right into it here.

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Trust Factor with Real Greenlea focuses on
all aspects to building human trust in

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online communications. Thank you for being
here with me. The trust factor in

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your life is essential and profoundly impacts
your happiness, security and safety and the

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future I think of humanity on this
planet. But let's get right into the

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topics this week. I want to
waste any time, but I wanted to

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start off this week's topics by playing
a short video here on a presentation that

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was made on the topic that I
shared at the top of this and let

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me play that for you now,
and then we can come back from it

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and we can dive right into the
content of the show. First of all,

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we learned that we can search Google, search Google. But now two

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decades later, there is a fragile
new awareness dawning, and it's occurring to

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us that it's not so much that
we search Google, it's that Google searches

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us. In Wonderland. We assume
that we use social media, but now

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we've begun to understand that social media
uses us. We thought that these are

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great free services, while these companies, we're thinking, these are great people

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who are free raw material for our
new operations of analysis, production and sales.

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We barely questioned why our television sets
or our mattresses came with privacy policies.

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But now we're beginning to understand that
privacy policies are actually surveillance policies.

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We admired the tech giants as innovative
companies, but now innovative companies, by

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the way, who occasionally made some
big mistakes, and those mistakes violated our

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privacy. The difference now is that
we're beginning to understand that those mistakes actually

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are the innovations. Those mistakes are
the innovations. In Wonderland, we learn

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to believe that privacy is private.
We failed to reckon with the profound distinction

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between a society that cherishes principles of
individual sovereignty and one that lives by the

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social relations of the one way mirror. Privacy is not private. Privacy is

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a collective action problem. Privacy is
a political challenge. Privacy is about the

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kind of society that we live in. Finally, our most dangerous illusion of

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all. In Wonderland, we believe
that the Internet offered unprecedented access to proprietary

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knowledge. But in the harsh glare
of surveillance capitalism, we have come to

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learn that proprietary knowledge now has unprecedented
access to US surveillance Capitalists sell certainty,

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so they're competing on their predictions.
So let's reverse engineer these competitive dynamics and

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see what we find. Number One, every nobody knows and AI needs a

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lot of data. Right, everybody
knows that. So the first thing is

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economies of scale drives them towards totalities
of information we need. We need data

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at scale. Okay, that's an
easy one. Competing on scale is good,

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but not good enough because eventually they
realize, hey, you know what,

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we need a lot of data,
but we also need varieties of data.

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Now we know that we need economies
of scale, but we also need

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varieties. So we need economies of
scope, different kinds of data. Now,

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even though you're not old enough to
remember the dot com bust, many

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of you are old enough to remember
the mobility revolution. Right, So this

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is the idea that we'll give you
a little computer, you put it in

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your pocket and you go. We'll
call it a phone, what the heck,

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and it will go everywhere with you. And now we can get economies

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of scope like where you are and
what you're talking about, who you're with,

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and what transactions you're making, and
maybe where you're eating and what you're

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eating, and who you're emailing or
texting or what kind of browsing you're doing

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while you're walking in the park or
walking through the city. So I think

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you get the idea of what I'm
getting at by playing that clip from Johanna

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Zoomboff, who's a surveillance and capitalism
and democracy presenter. That's the topic that

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she was referring to there. But
I wanted to set the stage with her

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comments because I think it does set
the stage for what I wanted to cover

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in this episode. And basically I
wanted to also just give a quote here,

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in an era defined by technology and
power dynamics, whom can we trust?

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And that is really the theme of
this program is trying to understand that

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and get a clear kind of picture
on where we stand on that. But

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today in this episode, I'm going
to deep dive into the topic should we

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trust where AI gets information on each
of us? So this actually even goes

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to a higher level than somewhat what
she was talking about about just the availability

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of data on all of us.
She wasn't specifically talking about artificial intelligence and

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how that can be used, but
that is the foundation. So we've gone

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through a phase with social media,
with the mobile phones just generally even Google

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web browsing and things like that,
where there's been a lot of data collection,

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and we've had various devices that have
been around us and that have been

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collecting from us. It gets back
to this bigger issue the importance of us

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understanding the sources of data about us, and how that's been feeding the popular

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platforms that have been collecting data on
us. The social media platforms, the

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search engines, even the proliferation of
these smaller devices or the Internet of things

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have contributed to the data collection and
creates the opportunity for potential positive use and

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misuse. And that's really where the
question of trust comes into play here.

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So the historical instance where data has
been really misused is vast. I think

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as we look at the recent history
and a lot of the things that have

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come out about the social platforms like
a Facebook or the information that's come out

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about Twitter now x, there has
been abuses of the information and increasingly you

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can see it in your own normal
life, like I was heading to Costco

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today and I got into my car, and my car somehow knew that I

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was going to Costco before I had
actually entered it into my device. So

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I do think that we're our activities
are being mapped together based on historical information

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and present information about our behavior and
where the AI or where these platforms are

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detecting our activities and creating a speculative
kind of assistance to us and how we

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live our lives. I think the
reason for this that they justify is that

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they're making it convenient for us.
So like the mappets program on in my

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car knew that I was for some
reason knew that I was going to be

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going to Costco today, but even
I hadn't entered into my calendar, I

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hadn't put it into any device,
but somehow it knew, based on either

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prior behavior or based on the day
of the week or the time whatever,

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that it projected that I was going
to be doing a particular task and that

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so they would recommend the map directions
to get to Costco. So just to

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give you a real world example of
what I just experienced today on how this

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stuff can be used as good,
but it also comes across as a little

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creepy too. And then also that
there are examples that we've seen in AI

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and chat GPT of kind of discrimination
and bias in the output that comes from

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these things. And it's hard to
really think that it wouldn't have some sort

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of bias or discrimination in there,
because a lot of the source data that

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these AI platforms gather really includes a
lot of profiling and discrimination, bias and

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somewhat unjust outcomes, and that's going
to be plugged into the AI. So

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the AI is not going to think
of it as being something that's bad.

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It's just going to think of it
as the data set that they have and

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the experience that the algorithm has had. Now, there have been some concerns

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about AI being racially discriminatory, and
when we use AI technology to analyze,

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let's say, a resume or something
like that, that it could be biased

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towards experiences that are maybe more associated
with a certain race. That could cause

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a inadvertent bias. Who knows,
maybe some of those tools have blatant bias.

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So there have been laws that have
been passed privacy laws and protection of

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our kind of personal rights to our
personal information GDPR, CPA, the EU

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and the US have these global privacy
laws. But really, if you back

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up and you look at it,
none of these laws entirely cover AI data

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gathering and analysis, right, So
the data that we freely give up to

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these platforms, and we've agreed to
the terms of service, whether or not

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we've actually read the terms of service, because there's like pages and pages of

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terms of service that most people wouldn't
even have any interest in reading. Nor

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maybe have an understanding of what it
actually says. And so there's this kind

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of this tension between terms of service
that these platforms have that are written by

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very smart lawyers that are putting it
in very small texts and making it difficult

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to read and to understand what's actually
happening. A lot of things slipped through

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the cracks like that. People don't
have a lot of time to spend an

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hour reading a thirty page terms of
service in fine print on their mobile phone,

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so they just click okay, you
know, and I think that's a

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reasonable thing for most people to think. People I think somewhat just blindly trust.

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But at the end of the day, even if that terms of service

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said something that they didn't agree with, does that mean that they're not going

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to click to accept that terms of
service because they want to use that service

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and get the benefit, the positive
benefit of it that comes maybe with some

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trade offs that they may not be
aware of and that the company is somewhat

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hiding from them. So you have
that going on as well, and it

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gets back to do you trust should
we trust? Also this other layer you

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think of it like a Mark Zuckerberg
or an Elon Musk or a Jeff Bezos.

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Do we trust or should we trust
people who have massive wealth and power?

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This even applies to politicians. Should
we trust these people? Should we

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just accept the fact that they're offering
something of great value to us in our

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perception that maybe there's a deeper agenda
that may be having a monetary benefit to

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the corporation, to the investors,
that may be viewed as a priority over

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the privacy and the security of their
users. And because clearly users of a

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platform are the product, right,
a lot of these larger platforms sell the

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data to corporations and other people that
use that data to market products and services

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to us. And now we're moving
into this next phase of really using AI

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to analyze that data and map it
together and to generate other forms of somewhat

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surveillance monitoring understanding at a deeper level. Probably ultimately these ais are going to

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understand us better than maybe we understand
ourselves. I know they get said a

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lot, but I don't think it's
there yet. But I do think that

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we're on that path to get there. And there's a little bit of a

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historical context too, as far as
these people that have massive wealth and power.

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If you think back from a historical
perspective, there are like the Rockefellers

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and to some degree the Gates,
the Rothschilds of families go way back in

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history and have had a vested interest
in driving certain agendas around the interests of

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their companies and their products. There
was a whole movie that came out Who

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Killed the Electric Car? And the
kind of takeaway from that was is that

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GM built an electric car. This
was back in the nineties eighties. I

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can't remember the exact date range here, but then they took back all the

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cars and crushed them and it came
out later that also with the early electric

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car, even like way back in
the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds there was

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electric car, commercial interests came in
and basically pushed the government to change legislation,

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change the rules, changed the laws
to basically make the alternative transportation platform

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illegal or not accepted. And so
you had that similar thing happened with the

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ear with the later electric car.
The e V one from General Motors came

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out with a car and I believe
in this came out in this movie.

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The fossil fuel industry or the gas
companies basically lobbied heavy GM and the regulator

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to ban these cars for whatever reason, and they took them all back and

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crushed them all because none of the
users of the EV one actually own the

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car, they were all leasing it, and it had this clause in it

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that general Motors could take the car
back. So there's a little bit of

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a history of powerful, massive wealth
people having an oversized kind of influence over

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outcomes, whether it be with technology
or social fabric and how the society functions.

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And if you look at those families
and those entities, they tend to

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be much older now, and this
older generation of very wealthy people continue to

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have massive influence in the world's direction. And they've had that influence for a

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very long time. And I believe
that they've had an agenda and they've had

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goals that they're trying to reach with
changes in our society and how we're doing

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things that they've been very patient on
and pushing forward. And I will talk

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about this a little bit, but
I would say that the modern day titans

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are billionaires, national leaders, country
leaders, and then there's also the unelected

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influencers out there that are leaders of
corporations or unelected political leaders that just have

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a lot of money, their billionaires
or they just have a lot of influence,

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or their political leaders that used to
have a role in government but don't

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anymore. But that is oftentimes driven
by those wealthy having a lot of money

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that they can buy influence. They
can buy changes in our society, they

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can influence the media, They can
do a lot of things behind the scenes,

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behind closed doors that can have an
impact on the direction of our country

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and of our world and the global
fabric of all countries. And I do

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think that we're seeing the influence of
massive billionaires and money in the direction that

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we're seeing happen in the world today. And I think some of the wealthiest

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people on this planet are very powerful, and they do tend to talk to

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each other and really maybe, and
it's hard to know sometimes what the plans

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are that there's the World Economic Forum, which is a little bit of a

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showcase of this, but there's a
bunch of other organizations too that are out

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there. Some of these goals are
stated, but some of them maybe are

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not. There is a public perception
out there that's growing that there's something going

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on. Danger. Danger is the
rallying cry that the common man is losing

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input and are we going to embrace
these changes that are being brought about by

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the wealthy and powerful. Some of
these folks are involved in operating AI platforms

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today, like open ai and Xai
and Google bard even Microsoft being has a

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connection to open ai and that's becoming
a very influential platform as well. So

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you can see these are trillion dollar
companies oftentimes or multibillion dollar companies. Even

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though you hear rumors right now that
open ai may be going bankrupt at some

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point, I'm pretty sure that Microsoft
is going to come in and say open

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ai if they're going to continue to
use their technology in their platform, and

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they certainly have enough money to support
open ai going forward. But I also

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worry about AI platforms outside of the
US too, So we don't hear much

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about other places around the world like
China, India and Russia and what they're

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doing with AI technology. Most of
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that are having a global impact that. Don't get me wrong. Google definitely

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has a global impact, and so
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and x are going to have a
big impact on AI as well. Elon

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Musk continues to express concern about open
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he's one of the proponents of it
as well. He appears to be playing

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bull sides of the issue of artificial
intelligence. And plus you have to think

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about other folks that have an interest
in open kind of artificial intelligence or closed

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artificial intelligence, which I think is
probably more like what I'm talking about here,

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and that's the US military and other
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I'm sure has an AI program that's
linked up with its military, as well

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as Russia and probably many other countries
have a strong military effort on the part

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of trying to create artificial intelligence to
support weapons systems and surveillance and those kind

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of things which are active activities that
the military and Central Intelligence Agency type of

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thing, DARPA, the NSA,
the National Security Agency. Those are the

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main ones here in the US,
but I'm sure in Europe there's a bunch

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of these activities going on as well. And I think that there's just a

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real expression of concern of danger of
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I think there's a lot of uncertainty
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effort to say we need to pause
and hold back on AI because it could

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get out of control and run away
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threat to humanity. I just don't
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think it was just a little bit
of a feel good moment that we can

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all come together and do something together. But if we did it here in

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the US, that would mean that
we would get behind let's say, China,

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India, and Russia, and I
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is going to let that happen.
So I think that there is an effort

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to just run full speed ahead with
AI technology, and it's going to impact

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the military, it's going to impact
corporations, and it's going to impact all

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of us the people. But guess
who doesn't have as much as say in

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this, and that's normal people.
Corporations have a lot to say and what

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these things look like. Government has
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like for the military. They have
their own kind of rules of the road

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on this. But all of us
citizens or just members of this planet,

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I don't see any pathway for us
having input on the development of artificial intelligence

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that's going to have an impact on
our lives. I think I just think

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it's going to go forward full steam. And I think that that combined with

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all of our personal information and the
potential of using that information to clamp down

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on us restrict our movements. There's
a lot of reasons why a government might

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want to enforce laws at a deeper
level with technology and having a deeper understanding

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of all of us and how we
live our lives and the decisions and choices

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that we make that maybe don't align
with the greater good right of the planet.

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Think climate change, and think our
full speed effort here to get off

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of fossil fuels is also driving a
lot of this stuff too, And climate

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change is perceived by many to be
a threat to our very existence. Whether

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or not that's entirely true is open
forward debate, and I'm open for any

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debate, whether it's the healthcare efforts
that we're putting in, it's climate change.

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I want to see more evidence of
these things that we're putting so much

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investment in and have such an effort
that could be detrimental to human existence.

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If we overcompensate to get rid of
fossil fuels too soon, that could decimate

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our economy, could decimate our energy
systems all in the effort, and is

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it really what we need to be
doing right now? That's a big question.

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And I'm not necessarily questioning on this
program the validity of climate change because

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I firmly believe that the climate is
always changing. I'm not going to ever

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sit here and say that the climate
and the behavior of the weather doesn't change

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every year. It does. And
let's just wipe that clean from anybody's perception

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of me that I don't think that
the climate is changing. It is.

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The question is how fast and how
dangerous is it in a practical way,

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And I don't personally have the data
on that. I don't know for sure.

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I have to trust scientists, I
have to trust what the data says,

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and I don't always see the data
being communicated to us to help convince

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us that this is such a crisis. So that's all I ask. Let's

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be transparent. Let's share with us
what the real data is, not data

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that's been painted in a way to
paint a certain picture, which we know

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happens that human nature to make things
sound like what we want to believe,

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but that may not be the right
choice. So that's all I'm saying here

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the other piece of this too when
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is the role of philanthropy and the
influence of that. Can we trust

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that these billion errors are doing what
they're doing for philanthropic efforts? Is it

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genuine altruism or reputation management? Are
they all capitalists and they're trying to make

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profits? Creating a foundation or creating
this image of a philanthropy can give a

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good shield for investment and profits.
And so that's why you have to look

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at things now. Granted, technically, if these philanthropy organizations are they actually

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five O, one C three organizations. I'm speaking about organizations here in the

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United States that are considered nonprofit.
But even those organizations can generate more revenue

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than they have expenses. But there
is a certain type of philanthropy that can

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be structured and communicated as a foundation
that can be a for profit thing too,

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And people may not always know what
the legal structure of these organizations are.

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And so that put that on the
context of other things that are going

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on human health and big pharma and
investment in all sorts of healthcare type of

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activities. You do have to wonder
what the motivation is here. And let's

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also talk about the power dynamics and
democracy, how the wealthy are disproportionately influence

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the political system and our democracy today. That doesn't build a lot of trust

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for me as I look at the
landscape, because it does appear that we

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seem to be sliding away. I'm
talking about the US, but also in

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the West, sliding away from the
current constitutional republic type of political structure to

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more of a one global government type
of heading towards a socialist ideology. So

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you see on the left and the
right you can see this conflict, and

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then you can also see the agendas
of the UN and the World Health Organization

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and the World Economic Forum. They
tend to want this kind of one government,

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one global kind of governance. And
I would say that part of that

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is linked up with utilizing technology to
monitor us control US, and as governments

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have always wanted as a way to
enforce the laws. And I've talked about

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this on this program before. Government
has rules, government has laws, and

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they've always strived to enforce those rules
and those laws. And with the technology

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that's being developed now, with artificial
intelligence and all these monitoring capabilities, can

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everywhere, this mesh network five G. All this stuff is going to enable

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the government to We're already seeing examples
of this in China. This kind of

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surveillance state and technology is going to
enable all this. It's just a fact

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that there really isn't any I guess
argument on this, because there's examples of

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this even in the UK. It's
like the video cameras everywhere over there,

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and the justification for that is we
need to know what's going on so we

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can avoid terrorist attacks, so we
can avoid violence on the streets. So

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surveillance and monitoring is increasingly what's coming. And this kind of raises this bigger

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question because the government, wealthy individuals
and corporations are working together to change our

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society and the ultra wealthy, can
we trust them? Do they have eight

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billion people's best interests in mind with
what they what they're pursuing. If it's

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a capitalist agenda, then there's a
capitalist motivation to get more control and to

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control how we get goods and services, and those get funneled into the direction

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of the powerful and the ones that
tend to be linked up with high technology

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or are official intelligence. So that's
the shift that we're seeing in the world,

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and a lot of people are really
scared about their jobs, their careers,

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and this concept of are the powerful
looking out for us? Should we

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even expect them, Should we trust
that they even have any interest in looking

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out for what's best for us as
individual citizens of this planet? The billion

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people that are on this planet.
Do they have our best interests in mind?

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Can we trust that they do?
And should we even put any trust

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in any of them that they do? Or are they only like many of

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us, We're concerned about our own
lives and our own successes and our own

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stability. That is all what they're
doing, and it's not reasonable to think

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that they're not doing that. They
are thinking about their best interests, and

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that is what human nature is.
Now. They have an outsize influence that

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can drive a negative outcome. There
is an inequity of power there. There's

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a massive wealth gap that's only getting
larger. You know, they are concerned.

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I would say that the wealthy are
concerned about access to resources on this

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planet and do have an interest in
the potential societal riffs that can happen in

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our culture and our society and how
that impacts their lives and their success with

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their capitalist enterprises or their own families
for that matter. If they can have

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an outsized influence over the outcome that
does in benefit to them, we should

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expect that they would do something that
would create that outcome for them, right,

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because most of us would probably tend
to do the same thing. Now,

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Granted, I think a lot of
us take this position, or a

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lot of people take this position that
it's this evil versus the good right,

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and if a capitalist wants to build
their security and build their wealth, that

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somehow that's evil compared to normal people
that don't have that. They just want

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to be able to eat, have
a place to work, feel useful.

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And there is this communication about there's
a large number of people on this planet

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that are useless. That's been stated
by some of the outspoken people from the

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World Economic Forum that there is a
growing useless class in this world and there's

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no purpose for them. As you
look to the AI future, what's their

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contribution? And I do think that
the wealthy have this perception that resources will

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be more limited in the future unless
certain changes are made. They want access

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to resources for their lives and for
their enterprises. And I think I mentioned

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that a little bit earlier, and
where's that energy coming from? But do

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we need to move beyond fossil fuels? And how fast? These are very

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timely questions, And do we need
to move past fossil fuels faster than can

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really be accomplished? Is that what's
happening? And the question you have to

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ask is why is that happening like
that? And the only reason that I

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can come up with is that there's
this perception that climate change is this existential

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threat to the existence of humanity and
that somehow these people are concerned about all

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of our well being as a reason
for that. And I hope that we're

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not making a mistake that somehow we're
overreacting and creating a dangerous situation for frankly,

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billions of people and what their future
looks like, and wealth and access

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to limited resources or access to limited
resources are creating a potential bias. And

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policy making and laws and governing and
ways the government and corporations invest money,

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they put it into things that are
not necessarily going to have the outcome that

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they had hoped and there's danger in
that. And as you think about global

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responsibility, I think there is a
role for the whole population and influential people

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to work together to create a better
good. But I also think that there's

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entities out there, government corporations,
non governmental organizations, government agencies that are

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being tasked with trying to address global
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And these are who's taking responsibility for
things? Can individual citizens take responsibility for

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this? But if they're being misinformed
about what the real risk is an omnipulation

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of us. So these are much
bigger questions. There are groups out there

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that are secretly meeting. They're like
global leadership groups, like the World Economic

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Forum, which I've mentioned. There's
the World Health Organization. There's the Committee

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of three hundred. There's the Builderberg
Group, There's the Club of Rome.

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There's just innumerable numbers of elite secret
clubs or groups that meet to talk about

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influencing global policies at the national and
international level. Not a lot of the

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policies map back to the United Nations
and to the larger countries on the planet.

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I think we all know who they
are, right, who has the

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most interest in a certain outcome?
It would be the biggest countries and the

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biggest corporations and the folks that have
the most money, that have money to

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lose. So a lot of these
groups that I just mentioned have been meeting

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for decades and planning something. I
think we probably hear more out of the

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World Economic Forum about what they're accomplishing
out there and would like to what their

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goals are and things. But these
other groups you don't really hear much about.

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So what are they up to,
what are they talking about, what

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are their plans that are not being
shared with all of us. Oftentimes the

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people that are in these groups are
unelected, but they also include people that

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are part of government too. They
are acting in a representative fashion as well.

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What's the public perception versus reality here? Gauging public sentiment through polls and

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social media and analysis could potentially reconcile
the perception with some measurable or survey data

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or scientific data that can map us
to a public perception of reality that can

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take us away from this distrust that
we're seeing in the world because of statements

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that are made by certain individuals and
organizations that come across as somewhat draconian and

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evil, and people are getting that
impression. Can we just a small thing

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like free speech, it seems like
it's that used to be an American value,

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but now it appears to be just
a conservative value now. And I

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think this concept of hate speech which
is behind it is also an unfair kind

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of portrayal of speech as well,
because hate speech can basically be any speech

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that someone dislikes or hates, right, so telling somebody that they don't like

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brown hair can be considered to be
hate speech now, So what this is

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doing is opening Pandora's box to censorship. And that is a whole other aspect

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here. But the perspectives of economists, global activists, and community leaders on

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whether the powerful I'm talking about,
the global elite are looking out for the

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broader population continues to be the question. And that's why it's so important to

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have public, accurate, public perception
that actually maps to reality and outcomes that

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we are confident of. If we're
living in a world where we're making decisions

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based on what we think might happen, that's a path to disaster for everyone,

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because then we make the wrong choices
at even the wrong times. It's

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just wrong all the way around.
I just want to get it right,

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and I think all of you do
too. I think everybody wants to get

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it right, and the perception of
AI threat and a lack of trust in

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artificial general intelligence. I haven't even
talked about this aspect of it as well.

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That there is a different classification of
artificial intelligence. It's called artificial general

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intelligence. Now, oftentimes when we
talk about AI artificial intelligence, we're talking

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about a very specific LAM or language
model or a very specific AI that does

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a very specific thing, that is
smart and gathers information, is able to

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make decisions within a scope. Right, when we're talking about artificial general intelligence,

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what we're talking about is an AI
that's a little bit more like a

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human right that has general intelligence,
right, has the ability to evaluate things

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based on their vision, their touch, their experiences. They can make choices,

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and they may have some level of
emotion or entitlement or perception of existence

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or what's termed as sentient. And
there's I've heard people talk about artificial general

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intelligent beings. These could be robots, whatever that over time will have the

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same rights as a human. And
that gets back to the bigger question,

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what rights do artificial intelligent especially artificial
general intelligent algorithms, especially in robots or

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just that creates an autonomous experience.
What rights do they have compared to the

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rights that humans have and is there
going to be difference. We're not even

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talking about stuff, which is preposterous
because if we're going to be replaced by

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AGI or artificial general intelligence, which
is the potential here if you look at

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the AI with AGI, you know, AI prioritizes concerns about things also,

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and I know I'm jumping ahead a
little bit here about what if they artificial

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general intelligence cares about things like overpopulation
of humans? Right, if the algorithm

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learns that there's a threat to the
planet or a threat to the sentient artificial

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intelligent being, that overpopulation is a
threat to the very existence of this planet,

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then what is it willing to do
to protect itself or protect this planet?

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And is there a potential that it
will view humans as like a parasite.

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You know, there's a lot of
things exploring concerns relating to the carrying

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capacity and competition for resources on this
planet, and especially among the elite class

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that is concerned about that. They
think that they are smarter than everybody else

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and they have the ability to create
a certain outcome. What might an AI

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try to do if humans are unwilling
to do something that the AI wants us

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to do. Could be seen as
comparable to eliminating when Elon Musk has stated

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this too, it could be comparable
to eliminating an ant hill to build a

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road. And the analogy is humans
are the ant hill. They just pay

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right over the top of us.
It's like we didn't even exist. That's

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the danger that we face, and
that's been Communian people have heard that analogy,

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and I think it's correct. If
superintelligence gets to the level with AGI,

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those are the kind of outcomes that
could happen, especially if the AGI

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has physical controls too. It has
an army of robots, and it has

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its own equipment, and it can
make its own road paving stuff. It'll

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it'll have its own bulldozers. It'll
just bulldoz over all of the human buildings

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and put in whatever it wants to
put in that it wants to do.

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That's the real danger here. But
hopefully we're going to see growing insights from

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environmentalists, from demographers, social political
analysts on the perceived threats that AI or

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AGI has and hopefully these people will
have an interest in this and that we

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can get some more responsible outcomes from
being investigation of this and because AI is

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not going anywhere, it's going to
grow into artificial general intelligence. But could

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and this is a this is another
layer of question. Could AGI or AI

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be overpowered by humans at some point? So let's say it does capture control

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and treats us like ants. Is
there a way for us to take back

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our existence from this entity or group
of entities or these entities that are linked

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up with military. Could they be
overpowered? Could they be taken down just

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by simply pulling the power plug?
Because AGI is gonna have to have its

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own power source. Now, granted, what if AGI has technology that powers

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it that isn't connected to the grid. Are humans going to have the ability

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to turn the power off switch if
this starts to get out of control?

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My contention is they're going to figure
out a way to not have that possible.

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Once we have this, the power
will continue will flow to these things.

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They will figure out a way to
protect themselves, just like a human

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tries to protect themselves from being terminated. Yeah, how well a large and

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empowered human population might challenge an AI. They the I will likely have power

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structures, and will humans have the
ability to do this. Are there is

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there a possibility of us creating sustainable
human policies that can supersede that outcome from

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happening, But I do I've heard
other people say that for us to think

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that they AI is going to always
be subservient to humans is probably not fair

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to the AI. Are humans going
to have to figure out non technological communication

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pathways to each other? Old school
in person community building? But if human

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travel is limited based on the priorities
of the AI or the priorities of government,

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in person efforts may never find a
path. So these are some very

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big questions, and I think hopefully
this episode has got you thinking, and

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I certainly appreciate you being here with
me as I take this show to a

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whole other level. And hopefully this
show doesn't get me into trouble with any

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AI or any entity like a YouTube
or whatever. I'm just posing some just

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some really basic questions. I'm not
accusing anybody of anything the farious or anything,

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even there's plenty of people out there
that are making these connections. This

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show is available as an audio podcast. It's also available on YouTube on the

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Rock Greenley channel, so you can
go there and check it out. And

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that's probably where you're watching this anyway. But I will post this over to

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Rumble and possibly over to Twitter and
other platforms at some point as well.

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I wanted to mention I got a
little bit feedback from episode ten of the

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show from Roland Keith fifty three twenty
two. His comment was, trust is

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a part of a belief system.
Trust meaning is a firm belief in the

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reliability, truth, and ability of
someone or something. Trust is really based

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on one's trust and others in seeing
someone as reliable, and the philosophical definition

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of trust is a kind of reliance
on other people based on a certain attitude.

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So I believe with that also,
so what's a belief? A belief

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is an acceptance that something exists or
is true, especially one without proof.

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That's a belief. A belief doesn't
have to be truth. A belief is

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what you believe in, and just
like believing in God or religion, there

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doesn't have to be proof for you
to believe in it. I agree with

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that one hundred percent. Trust then
is awarded for a consistency of truth and

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or correctness and no more. Yeah, I would agree with that as well.

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Thank you Roland Keith. Fifty three
twenty two for that comment, I

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appreciate it. I can also be
found on Twitter at Rob Greenley and I'm

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also on LinkedIn at Rob Greenley as
well. And thank you for joining me

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here in episode eleven of this series. And I'll be back next week,

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going to be on the road and
look for me on Mondays. I'm going

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to post the episodes of this program
and hopefully you found this program to be

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helpful. Thank you so much for
joining me today. I always enjoy doing

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this show and pushing the envelope,
so thank you so much.