April 6, 2026

Money Matters: How to Take Control of Your Money Without Feeling Overwhelmed with Jamie Trull

Money Matters: How to Take Control of Your Money Without Feeling Overwhelmed with Jamie Trull

Today we’re talking about money. Budgeting. Saving. Investing. Debt. Mindset. But not in the “cut your Starbucks treat and buy a house” kind of way. We’re talking about it in a way that actually feels achievable, empowering, and grounded in real...

Today we’re talking about money.

Budgeting. Saving. Investing. Debt. Mindset.

But not in the “cut your Starbucks treat and buy a house” kind of way.

We’re talking about it in a way that actually feels achievable, empowering, and grounded in real life.

Because no matter where you are in your career, your business, or your life, money stress has a way of creeping in and taking over when you don’t have a system and when you’re avoiding it altogether.

In this episode of Quick Before You Forget, I sit down with financial literacy coach, CPA, and author Jamie Troll to talk about what’s really going on beneath the surface when it comes to money.

We get into:

why so many smart, capable people feel behind
how avoidance keeps us stuck longer than we realize
the simple shift of giving every dollar a job
and how money can actually become a tool for good, not something to fear

This conversation isn’t just about finances.

It’s about taking your power back. It’s about getting honest. It’s about building a life that actually feels like yours.

If you’ve been doing everything “right” but still feel off… this is a good place to start.

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Chapters

00:00 – The Message We All Need to Hear Why stepping into your financial power matters more than ever

01:00 – Meet Jamie Trull CPA, financial literacy coach, and author of Hidden Profit

03:00 – The Childhood Story That Changed Everything Saving $120 at age 10 and what it revealed about money

07:00 – The Moment That Radicalized Her Money Mindset How one book and compound interest changed her life

10:00 – “I’m Behind” Is a Lie The mindset that keeps people stuck and how to shift it

13:00 – What Entrepreneurs Get Wrong About Profit Corporate vs. small business thinking

17:00 – Why Money Feels So Emotional (and Overwhelming) Fear, avoidance, and what’s really underneath

21:00 – Stop Avoiding Your Numbers: Why facing the truth is always better than ignoring it

24:00 – The Story She Almost Didn’t Share Vulnerability, intuition, and the “starling” moment

28:00 – The Power of Community and Collective Impact: Why we can do more together than alone 31:00 – The Truth About Money Being “Bad” Rewriting one of the most dangerous beliefs

34:00 – The Practical Shift: Give Every Dollar a Job A simple but powerful financial system

38:00 – Her Deeper Why: Justice and Impact The thread that’s been there all along

41:00 – What She’d Tell Her Younger Self Perfectionism, fear, and taking action anyway

45:00 – The Unreal Moment That Changed Everything Showing up during COVID—and what it created

52:00 – What Matters Most Right Now Family, presence, and building a better future

56:00 – Music, Resilience, and Emotional Anchors and the songs that carry her through

Jess Glynne: Don't Be So Hard On Yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeLVhU53ow&list=RDTHeLVhU53ow&start_radio=1

Taylor Swift: Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZFiX6hDXQ&list=RDvOZFiX6hDXQ&start_radio=1

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We need you to step into your power. We need

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you to step up and you know, take your share

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of that economic pie. We need more wealth in the

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hands of people that care and that we'll use it

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for care. That's how we're going to make change in

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this world.

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Jamie Troll, Hello and welcome to Quick Before you forget.

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Hi, Ty, thanks so much for having me.

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I am so excited and so grateful you're here, and friends,

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you must know all about Jamie. Jamie is a CPA

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financial literacy coach, profit strategist, and author of Hidden Profit,

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which helps business owners actually understand their their numbers without

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the overwhelm. After spending over a decade at finance in

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finance at organizations like ernstin Young and Coca Cola, Jamie

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founded Balance CFO in twenty seventeen. Since its launch, Balance

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CFO has helped over ten thousand entrepreneurs Jamie that's amazing

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take control of their financial future and become their own CFOs.

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She's built a movement around making money conversations feel empowering

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instead of intimidating, and she teaches founders how to uncover

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profit they didn't even know they had. I'm so excited

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to learn from her and to find out what most

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entrepreneurs are missing when it comes to financial clarity. Jamie,

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I'm so pumped.

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I'm excited. I love these conversations.

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Well, I'm excited because we're going to walk through your

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story and that includes like going back what's present, and

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we're looking ahead a little bit. So we start in

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the rear view, and I want to walk through a story,

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a person or a time in your life when you

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were a kid that has stayed with you and is

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part of who you are today.

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Oh my, So I'll say I've always kind of been

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a saver. So I think like my kind of draw

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towards saving and understanding how money works really started at

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a young age. Like my dad was a businessman, and

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so I think a lot of it kind of came

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from watching him. And I remember a story. You know,

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this was back gosh, when I was ten years older.

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So and my parents told me for my tenth birthday,

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this is how my parents taught me about money. And

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I've actually taken some of these lessons into what I

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teach my kids too, which is for my birthday, I

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really wanted a dog. But instead of you know, getting

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me a dog for my birthday. My gift was my

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parents said, when I saved up enough money for a dog,

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I could go and buy a dog. They would go

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with me and we would pick out a dog. So

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we immediately get out the paper that tells you, like

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how old I am, right, so that's where you like

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looked at the listings for the dogs in your area

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at the time, and I really wanted a Golden Retriever

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and it was one hundred and twenty dollars for a

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Golden Retriever. They had a litter and you know this

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is you know, I guess nineteen early nineties, right, So

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it's a good amount of money, especially for a ten

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year old at the time. And so my parents, you know,

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in their minds, they're like, okay, this is going to

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take her at least a year, right, We're going to

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teach her about savings. It's going to be great. And

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I immediately looked at how much it was, ran upstairs,

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grabbed my shoe box from under my bed and grabbed

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one hundred and twenty dollars out of it that I

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had squirreled away that my parents didn't even know about,

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and came downstairs and said, oh, hey, let's go and

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they just looked at each other and we're like, oh,

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we had They had no idea and I had, you know,

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I just would squirrel away money from birthdays, from you know,

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various different things I'd have extra money from, like lunch

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money my parents would send me with and I'd squirrel away,

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you know, wouldn't spend all of it, and then keep

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a couple dollars. So that was the first experience of

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you know, here's here's the benefit of saving right and now.

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and so that has kind of been one of those

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stories that has stuck with me, and it is kind

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of like my my origin story. I would say, when

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it comes to you know, money and saving and understanding

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the power of money at a young age.

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I love it. How long? How how long did you

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have banned it?

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Bandit lived till he was fourteen, so I was in

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college when he passed. But you know, he was he

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was the best dog ever. So it was absolutely Now

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what was funny about this? Here's not funny in a

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haha sort of way, but just like very karmic, right,

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my parents had me purchase this dog. We got it

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from a breeder at the time, and within nine months

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the dog was diagnosed with hip displaysia and they had

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to pay thousands of dollars.

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For us Oh no, jokes on them.

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were like, oh, man, like this kind of backfired a

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little bit, but it was worth it and he lived

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for you know, many many more years and had a great,

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happy life.

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end of the world when a doggie gets hit hip displaysia,

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which is good to know too, you know, like, that's gracious,

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said your dad was a businessman, and I want, I'm

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curious what you learned from him that you still use

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and teach your own kids.

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you know, investing in things like that. And I remember

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when I was I think I was seventeen, and I

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was really intrigued with investing and he would tell me

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about it and kind of he would always head on

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you know, CNBC and you know things like that, where

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money working for me, because I joke like that I

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am a very driven, lazy person, and part of my

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drive comes from I want options, I want choice. I

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don't want to have to work. I want to want

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to work, and so any opportunity where I can, you know,

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work smarter, not harder. I am a big fan of

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I will spend time redesigning systems so that they will

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help me into the future. And so that was very

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intriguing to me, the idea of, hey, you work for

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your money, but then you invest it and it grows

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tax free. And so I'd gone to Barnes and Noble

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at the time and I bought this book Smart Women

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Finished Rich by David Bach when it had first come out,

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I think, and that book actually radicalized me. I will

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say there was a there was a compound interest table

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in there that showed you know, kind of the earlier

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you started and what that could turn into. And essentially

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what the book was saying was, hey, when you're, you know,

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a teenager. I think I think it even started like

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I was seventeen when I was reading it, but I

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think the table started at like twenty one because they

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don't expect you to be saving. But even at twenty one,

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it was like every dollar you saved, you know, you

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don't spend today, becomes essentially if you invest it just

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in the general broad market, by the time you retire,

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that dollar is going to be worth you know, somewhere

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between one hundred and one hundred and fifty dollars each.

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moment of clarity that was like, hang on if I

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start now, like I'm already the saver. I already saved

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up for this golden retriever, right, Like what else can

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I do with this? And so literally after I finished

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reading that book, I went and opened a roth iray

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for myself. Thankfully, like my dad had a brokerage, so

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he took me into, you know, with Charles Schwab at

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the time, which normally they wouldn't at the time have

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let somebody my size, you know, with my couple thousand

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dollars come into open an account. But I was under

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his sort of umbrella, so I got to open an account.

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We're still with Charles Schwab today, but it was you know,

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I got to go in there and start this roth iray,

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and that was kind of the beginning of Okay, you know,

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I want to be able to turbocharge this. When I

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was younger, I was really focused in on saving as

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much as I possibly could, knowing that then like time

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would do its job and eventually I won't have to

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work for all all you know, all the money because

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it will already be there. And so like that was

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the biggest thing. Like I said, that book radicalized me

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to be even more you know, just like a a

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proponent of there's such a better way, right, we don't

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have to hustle ourselves to death. We can let our

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money work for us, right.

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So that can feel very overwhelming for people. And I

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know that that sounds goofy because you just said one

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dollar today could be one hundred and fifty or two

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hundred dollars tomorrow. But it feels like a daunting climb

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for some people. How do you coach people through taking

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what feels like a first step?

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Yeah, I mean I think a lot of people start thinking,

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you know, especially with investing, which isn't necessarily what I teach,

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but I think it's all related. Right, So, like you know,

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when we talk about business, it's very similar. It's how

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can we make our money work for us? How can

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you take it into your business and make your money

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work for you rather than constantly feeling like you have

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to work for your money. And I think a lot

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of people start and their initial thought is like, I

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should have done this twenty years ago, right, because of

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that time value of money, Because like I said, you know,

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when you're in your teens, each dollar could be one

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hundred and fifty dollars if you invest it now at

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this age, I'm in my forties, so it's round you know,

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round about about, you know, each dollar now if I

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invest it to when I'm sixty five, could be you know,

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seven or eight dollars. Still great, right, still seven or

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eight times what I have today. But it's not the

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same as the power of when I was younger. So

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a lot of people hear that and they immediately think like, oh,

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I'm behind, right, I'm behind. I should have started, And

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then it almost is like demotivating. And I tend to

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kind of say, like, the best time to start, sure

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was twenty years ago. The second best time is today, right,

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Like start it today because future you will thank you

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future you. You know, a year five years from now

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will be thinking why didn't I start it when I

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first heard this? Why didn't you know? Why didn't I

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make those moves now? So I think that's what I

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tell people is it doesn't have to You don't have

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to know everything about investing. You don't have to really

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know much at all, right to just say, Okay, I'm

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going to put some money into a retirement account. I'm

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going to invest it in the market, you know, and

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let it grow for me and just you know, start today.

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Don't worry about what if what I should have done,

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how I could have done this better. That's not really helpful. However,

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where that can be helpful is to say, what can

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I do for my kids? So I'm really a big

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proponent on setting up my kids for success in the future.

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on them and also, you know, we have accounts set

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up for them at this young age because I know

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the power of money right now, right so I'm already

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trying to set my kids up. You know, they both

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work for my business, they both have roth Irais. They

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are nine and twelve, and so that is that is

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a positive place where you can say Okay, how can

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but I have the power to do this for my

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own kids, and how can I help, you know, them

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with their future as well.

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That's beautiful And I love that you involved the kids

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because we, my husband and I have been behind on

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that ourselves and we need to get in line. And

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this is the conversation that I need, like the kick

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in the pants, so to speak, right, Like, we have

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we have money set aside for them, but we haven't

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invested in and why why are we doing that? Oh? Good?

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of being behind, and I feel like I feel like

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that mindset of being behind does keep us from you know,

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taking action. We're never behind, right, We're not behind what, like,

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what's the standard? Right? Because most people don't do this

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at all. So you're not behind, right, thank you?

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But do it now?

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Yeah, exactly, do it now? And you're you know, you're

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definitely not behind.

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Right. So you spent years in corporate finance and then

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you became an entrepreneur. So I'm curious about what you

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think small business owners consistently misunderstand about profit?

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Yeah? So so I worked in the corporate world for

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a long time and for you know, multi billion dollar corporation,

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and so I got to see how they manage things,

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how they make decisions, right, how they look at money,

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and it's very very different. Then I kind of switched

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and decided. And there's a story that goes along with

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that too, of just going from corporate world into owning

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my own business and the transition there. But I think

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what I realized when helping small business owners is they

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see money very very differently, and that makes sense, right.

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It is a lot more personal, ye, it is, you know.

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But I do think that there are some lessons that

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we can take from how big corporations see things and

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see kind of the equation that goes along with business, right,

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and take that into small business. We don't want to

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lose the heart though, right, And that's the beauty. It's

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why I like working with small businesses a lot more,

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because we don't want to lose the heart that small

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businesses have, and I don't think you need to. I

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think we sometimes can vilify big business sometimes for a

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good reason, right, in terms of how they make decisions.

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But I do think that from thinking about money management

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and profit and what we can do with that. I

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think if small business owners took some of those lessons

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and came into it thinking like, how can I maximize

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my profit both for myself but also for my community,

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also for you know, small business in general, also for

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like my country. Right, there's so much that if we

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claim like our share of the wealth pie that is

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out there, right, what good can we do with that?

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And small businesses do different things with their money than

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big business, which I think is why we need to

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have more profitable small businesses. Big businesses, what do they

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do with money? They restructure and send jobs overseas. We

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did that in the business that I was in. We

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you know, we had a really profitable year. We use

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that money to restructure our whole business and send our

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entire you know, shared services center over to Bulgaria. Right, Like,

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that's that's what That's how they use their money. Small

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business is different, right. They use their money to hire,

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to pay people better, to grow, right, to serve more people.

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a lot of profit, they often are returning it to

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their shareowners, right, So they're doing dividends and returning share

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owner value that was like the big buzzword right in

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corporate like, how do we create share owner value? You know,

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not consumer value, not value in the world, share owner value.

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And meanwhile, you know, when small business has money and

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runs profitably, they can give back so much more in

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what they do to their communities, but also in parts

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of their profits they can sponsor. You know, my husband

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raises money for the PTA at our elementary school, right

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like things like that that we get really involved in

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the community and that money makes its way around the

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community several times over. So I think that sometimes we

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can think we don't want to be like the big corporations,

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we don't care about money in that way. That's not

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like our dry force. We almost take like a moral

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perspective on it, when what we're really doing is kind

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of putting up a strong arm to say, like I

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am afraid of the power of money to corrupt, and

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so therefore I'm not going to take my piece of

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the pie. And the people that are worried about that

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are the people we need to step up and take that,

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because those are the people we can trust with it.

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We know people are going to come in and grab

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grab what's there for the taking and the people that

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are most likely to do that oftentimes are not the

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people you want having that level of economic power. So

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that's a big part of why I'm so passionate about

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small business in general. I don't think big business is

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bad or evil or anything like that. I just think

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we don't have the same heart that small business does.

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Right. Yeah, So talk to me about your book, and

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I know that some of that. You go into some

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of that in your book, and that's why I'm bridging

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that because your book is amazing. It's called Hidden Profit,

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and I have it and I meant to have it

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out and I should have had it out, and you

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have it. I got you, bless you, Hidden Profit, and

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it's amazing for anybody. It's a it's a good read

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for I feel like almost everyone, though. I'm sure that

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you had a target niche of people that you want

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to help and you want to reach, but it's super

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relatable and very descriptive in ways that you understand regardless

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of where you're at with your money. But talk to

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us about your book and specifically about like what is

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hidden profit?

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Yeah? Yeah, So this book I really wanted to reach

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real normal business owners, right, and so we small business.

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What's interesting when you look at like the definition of

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what is a small business, It's like anybody from you know,

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those who are self employed solopreneurs all the way up

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to people who make like, you know, ten twenty million

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dollars is still somehow considered small business. That's not who

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I serve, right, I serve. Sometimes they're called micro businesses.

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I don't like that term, you know, I just don't

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think most people identify with that. But my favorite business

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is to serve are those that are in the range

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of fifty to save five hundred K in revenue. And

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the reason for that is, first of all, it's the

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bulk of small businesses are in that category. But also

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my favorite thing to do is help people over the hump.

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And what I mean by that is there's typically a

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hump that goes from you know, when you're kind of

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doing the whole business yourself, right, you're a solopreneur, you

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are you know, the day to day, and then kind

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of bridging the gap into okay, now I need help,

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I need I can't. I can only do so much

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by myself. I've reached a cap, right, how do I

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grow beyond this? That's my sweet spot because I want

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more people, and I also tend to serve. You know,

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my audience tends to be largely, not entirely, but largely

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made up of women owned businesses. And that's a big

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passion of mine as well, is to serve those businesses.

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And you know, women own businesses tend to be the

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ones that get stuck at those lower levels in part

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because women are less likely to hire, Women are less

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likely to go for you know, equity or debt financing.

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Some of that's risk averseness, some of that's just you know,

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a lot of systemic things that have gone on for

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years and years and years. But I want more women

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owned businesses to get over the hump. And part of that,

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like we were just talking about right with, you know,

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what people do with their businesses and what small business

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does with their money versus what big business does with

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their money when they earn it, Women specifically are significantly

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more likely to spend the money that they get on

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things that are good for you know, their families and

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their communities. And we know that, we know that instinctively.

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Women are community builders. That's just how we are, right

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We're less likely to build rocket ships with our money

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and more likely to figure out how we can give

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back to the people around us. And so I'm really

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passionate about that group of people because once you get

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over that first hump, right then, like the sky's really

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the limit. There are more humps, you know, there's always more,

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you know, new levels and new devils. But I think

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that first one is where so many businesses get stuck,

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and I really want to help them kind of move

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past that and see the possibilities on the other side.

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That you know, you said the risk averseness, and that's

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very I think that's very real, not just for women

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but for anybody. But why it speaks too And I

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know it's a real problem, and I'm almost feeling like

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uncomfortable asking the question, but why do so many smart

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capable founders avoid looking at their numbers and understanding their numbers?

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person obviously, right. I think there's a lot behind it,

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and so there's a lot of fear, just like with

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anything that we avoid. It's because we don't want to

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look at head on because we're afraid of what we're

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going to see. Right, But it still weighs on you, Right,

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it's still in the periphery. Even if you're not looking

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at straight in the face, it's still in the peripher free,

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weighing on you. And so I think that that we

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think we can avoid it, or you know, there's always

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a million things to be doing in business too. It's

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not hard to find things that feel more urgent in

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the moment that we need to handle then, like taking

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a step back and thinking about our money and looking

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at forecasting and budgeting and all of those things. But

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I'm I'm a really big fan of the phrase like,

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don't put the urgent in front of the important, and

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we often will put the urgent in front of the

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important for a lot of reasons. There's some insecurity I

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think sometimes that comes in there too. We're afraid of

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what we're going to see, so we hide our head.

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We like do the you know, ostriching thing and hide

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our head in the sand a little bit. But the

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great thing is when you actually do look it straight

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in the face, it's usually not as bad as you

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think it is. And even if it is right, even

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if it is now, you can at least make a

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plan and move forward. And we know this, like we

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know we get into cycles. We all have things that

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we avoid. The things that we procrastinate are the things

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that there's usually some some for of insecurity around, or

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you know, something like that. But we always feel better

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when we look it straight in the face and move

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forward from there, always one hundred percent of the time,

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because now it's not sitting in the periphery, we're not

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you know, living our whole lives trying to ignore it

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while it's still just like creeping up on us. Right

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now we can actually make a plan to move forward.

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So I think it's a natural response to anything that

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we feel, you know, worried about or have some insecurity around.

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But it's always better to just to just do it,

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Just rip the band aid off and look it straight

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in the face. It's gonna be okay.

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Is there a time that you've had to do that

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for yourself?

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Oh? Yes, I'm a procrastinator with different things. And I'll say,

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like the book was actually one of those things for me.

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I tend to be I don't get super vulnerable all

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the time. That that is just it's my personality type.

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Like people who even know me in my real life,

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I tend to sometimes put walls up, and I do

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that in my business too, where I do protect you

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know what I put out there. I'm not a huge

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social media person. I don't put a lot of my

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personal self out into the world, and the book felt

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so personal, right, my publisher wants like stories, and not

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just other people's stories, but my own stories, and that

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was really difficult for me to And so what I

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found is that I would I would procrastinate those parts

448
00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.839
and I would write the whole section about how to

449
00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.680
read your P and L and you know, how to

450
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.680
find hidden profit in your business, how to look at

451
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:39.200
your pricing and leave out the more you know, anecdotal

452
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.400
parts of you know, my life, because it felt really vulnerable.

453
00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:46.680
So I think anything again that that forces us to

454
00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:50.000
look something straight in the face that we have been avoiding.

455
00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.839
But again, once you do it, it just opened the floodgates.

456
00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:55.559
Like when I finally kind of got in the groove

457
00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:57.880
and I was like, okay, I need to let this.

458
00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:59.920
I think part of it was like insecurity. If I

459
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.000
put so much of myself out there, how are people

460
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.039
going to react? What's it going to be like? It's

461
00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:09.480
like a self protectionist thing, right, Yeah, for sure that

462
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:11.559
you just want to say, like if I just can

463
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.440
you know, build this wall, then I don't have to

464
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:21.079
worry about that. And I absolutely had to break through

465
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:24.960
that with writing this book because it just it needed

466
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:30.200
it needed more more personal stories, more connection, because it

467
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.640
is it's it's a it's a weighty subject. Money is

468
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.200
a weighty subject, right, Like we need some levity, we

469
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.359
need some stories, we need some you know, things to

470
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:43.400
make it feel more real and more authentic. And so

471
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.039
I'm glad at the end of the day, but I

472
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.440
absolutely have things. I think we all have things that

473
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.279
we we do this right.

474
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:55.000
So let's get uncomfortable then and talk through one of

475
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:57.200
the stories that was harder for you to share in

476
00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.079
the book, not to give away the book, but to

477
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.480
get people to be curious and hopefully pick one up

478
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:03.359
for themselves.

479
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.200
Yes, okay, so the book Actually I'm gonna I'm going

480
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:12.839
to The book actually goes into one of the things

481
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.440
that ended up being a theme in this book is

482
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.599
around a dream that I had actually.

483
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:22.680
Like in the nighttime, you were sleeping and you had

484
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:27.000
this dream. Yes, I oh, I'm ready. I'm ready for that.

485
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:32.720
Actual dream that I had at nighttime and I woke

486
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.920
up with this this dream and it was all these starlings.

487
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.039
They were it was birds like trying to get into

488
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.200
my house. And but it wasn't like in a in

489
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:46.160
a bad way, but it was like these these and

490
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:47.880
they kept following me around. I don't even know what

491
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.799
a starling is, but you know how sometimes in your

492
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.680
dream you somehow know, like this is a starling, right,

493
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:59.279
And so that kind of followed me around for a while,

494
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.839
like what is this? And it's actually how I came

495
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:05.240
up with one of the newer kind of side of

496
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:07.400
the business that we're building right now is called power

497
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:13.519
in Numbers. And Power in Numbers is really kind of

498
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:16.400
like a double entendre. It's two different things in one,

499
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.720
and that is that came to me after this dream.

500
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:22.680
It was like they kind of came together, this stream

501
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.279
about the starlings and then this power numbers and I'm like,

502
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.079
I don't know what this is, but I wrote it down,

503
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.960
you know when you just know like there's something to

504
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.000
this and I'm not sure what it is. And so

505
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.200
I had written this down and I couldn't figure it out.

506
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:35.559
I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do

507
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:40.200
with this. And then I spent some time actually sitting

508
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.160
down and like researching, Okay, what are what's the deal

509
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.079
with starlings? You know, like what why are they coming

510
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.000
to me in my dream? This is very strange, Like

511
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.200
what am I? You know? And I tend to be

512
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.799
I will tell you TI. I mean, I'm I'm an

513
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.200
analytical person. I think you know, I'm a CPA. I'm

514
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:58.799
you know, this is how I'm very left brained. And

515
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:02.640
so this piece where it's like maybe there's a message

516
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:04.799
being given to me feels like woo woo to me

517
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.759
sometimes and I'm like, oh, this can't be real. But

518
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:08.920
it sat on me so much that I'm like, no,

519
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.680
this is something, this is important. And then I would

520
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.160
start like literally seeing starlings on my house. I didn't

521
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:16.119
even know again what one was until I look this up.

522
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:20.240
And then now they're just following me everywhere. It's ridiculous.

523
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.160
And so what I found is that starlings are actually

524
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:25.759
like the way that they move and the things that

525
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:27.359
they do, like they they're the ones like if you

526
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.839
see the videos of the Starling murmurations, you know, where

527
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.440
they're all moving in tandem together in these beautiful like

528
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:37.799
patterns in the sky. Right. It's because there's essentially like

529
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:42.400
there's no leader. They're all like like kind of feeling

530
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.279
what the other starlings are doing around them, and they're

531
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.279
kind of going with the flow. And it's a way

532
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:54.400
to be able to make it look to predators like

533
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.359
they're this much bigger than they actually are, right, And

534
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.200
it really got me think, I'm like, that's the numbers, right,

535
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:03.519
Like the what we can do together so much, so

536
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:08.599
much bigger than what we can do a part. And

537
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.400
I think sometimes we lose the fact that we are,

538
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.599
you know, in many different communities that we're in, but

539
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:19.240
I focus largely on the small business community, the women

540
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.839
own small business community, and we are our own kind

541
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.839
of you know group and power, and there's so much

542
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.880
power that we have. We think that we don't have power.

543
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:30.000
We see the people who are in power and the

544
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.640
choices that they make. Especially this is very I think

545
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.319
real today, right, just like how we get into these

546
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:38.359
situations where these systems of power are so badly abused

547
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:40.880
and we feel like we can't do anything. But there

548
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.200
is this like power in numbers, meaning our actual numbers,

549
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.839
our business members understanding our numbers, but also like the

550
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.160
power and what we can do together. And I realize

551
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.519
like that's what power numbers is, and the Starlings are

552
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.039
kind of this this beautiful depiction of that. So I

553
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.200
talk about that in the end of the book, and

554
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.519
just this revelation that came to me that I think

555
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.119
one of my goals and one of the things that

556
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.880
I want to take you know, as we've talked about

557
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.519
past of business and where the business is going, so

558
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.680
much of it is going into this, you know, how

559
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.480
do we foster community in a way that makes positive

560
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.599
change right, and that we recognize the fact that we

561
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.799
do have power and we can let our voices be

562
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.480
heard and we can make big change, and we can

563
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.359
have these ripple effects that happen, you know, with with

564
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.599
with what we do. And so I think that was

565
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.839
like kind of a big, like personal story that I

566
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.440
just felt really strongly about that came out as the

567
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.720
last chapter of the book, and I'm glad that I,

568
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.279
you know, decided to put it out there again. It

569
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.279
felt vulnerable to say, like, these are my big dreams

570
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.119
and my big goals. This is what I really want.

571
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:47.480
At the end of the day. It's not just about

572
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.039
teaching business owners about their finances. It's about what we

573
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:52.480
can all do together but I think it was the

574
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.079
best way to end it.

575
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.720
What we can do together is so much bigger, so

576
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.799
much bigger. That is what I I heard you say,

577
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.799
and it's so that is that is fire and so

578
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.279
true and so honestly so many different ways. Plus thank

579
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.799
you for opening up about leaning into the woo woo sometimes,

580
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.680
like it's it's funny because it's interesting that you know,

581
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:21.319
you found some some direction and some clarity in something

582
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.680
that was kind of uncomfortable for you. Because I'm I,

583
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.000
I've been stepping into trusting my gut and leaning into

584
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.119
my intuition and I call it my yellow brick road,

585
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.720
and you know, finding that the listening to the signs

586
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.799
and just the art of noticing and so it's it's

587
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.000
fascinating to me to hear that that is actually a

588
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.400
huge element to what you've been able to accomplish with this.

589
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:50.240
And I also feel very very strongly about how we

590
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:54.279
can accomplish so much more together than we can apart.

591
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.599
So you kind of almost broke your own rule by

592
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.720
like listening to the Starling stories. So tell me what's

593
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.400
a money rule that you no longer believe in?

594
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:10.559
I would say a lot of times we think money

595
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.400
is inherently bad, right. I think that is something that

596
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.319
we have ingrained, our society has ingrained in us. I

597
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.759
think sometimes again we see what wealth and power can

598
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:24.559
do and in the wrong hands, and we assume that

599
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.839
it's a bad thing, and we again kind of try

600
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:33.279
to distance ourselves from it. And I understand the motivation

601
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.279
behind that, right, It's it's it's the whole you know,

602
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.400
money is the root of all evil. But that's actually

603
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.720
not what the Bible says. That's what's quoted money is

604
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:44.599
the root of all evil. It's actually the love of

605
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:49.359
money is the root of all evil. It's an important clarification,

606
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:54.240
and we don't it's it's so rarely quoted correctly. And

607
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:58.400
the point there is to say that it is possible

608
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.440
to be well resourced, right, and money is a resource.

609
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.720
It is possible to be well resourced and use it

610
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.960
as a tool for positive things. And I think when

611
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.759
we realize that it it almost it should kind of

612
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:17.720
put a little bit of like a you know, we

613
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.759
have a responsibility. We have a responsibility as people with

614
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:26.279
moral compasses right to do something and we need to

615
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:30.440
be well resourced for that fight. And so I think

616
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.440
for me, like the whole and and I've fallen victim

617
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.519
to this. Even even as much of a saver as

618
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:39.160
I can be, I still think I struggled sometimes with like,

619
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.480
I don't want to it's not all about money, right, Like,

620
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.440
it's not all about the money, and and you know,

621
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.880
I don't want to be corrupted in that way, right

622
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.920
And I think what I realized is no, I we

623
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.720
can use this in a positive way. And so one

624
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.240
of the things I actually talk about a lot. And

625
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.279
I wrote this on my Instagram recently and I wrote

626
00:32:58.279 --> 00:32:59.799
a post about it, but it was it was it's

627
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.920
a wealth and power in the wrong hands protects itself,

628
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.400
and wealth and power in the right hands protects people.

629
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.759
And we need more wealth and power in the right hands.

630
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.160
And it doesn't mean we need, you know, to make

631
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.960
a bunch of new billionaires. What we need, though, again

632
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:21.960
is collectively, collectively more wealth and power in the right

633
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.680
hands is care. It is care for people that need it, right.

634
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.079
And so that's probably like the big money rule that

635
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.759
has changed everything. And now it's kind of my new mission,

636
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.160
I feel like, is to spread that.

637
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.279
Well, let's start small, with a small, like one mindset

638
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:44.279
shift that people can make around money and how they

639
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:48.160
handle it. How would you coach somebody through flipping a

640
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.279
switch to be more of what you're talking about and

641
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.559
less of the fear.

642
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.200
Yeah, I think one of the things like thinking about

643
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:01.720
business specifically, right when we talk about you know, money

644
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.680
in business is when you're trying to decide even just

645
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.480
on on, you know, where do I spend money in

646
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.440
my business. I'm a big fan of giving every dollar

647
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:11.840
a job.

648
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:12.280
Right.

649
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.920
One mindset thing is that we have is you know,

650
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.760
we get the leftovers. As a business owner, we get

651
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.079
you know, it's whatever comes in minus whatever goes out

652
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.079
equals whatever I can pay myself. Maybe, but then I

653
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.039
might not even pay myself because I'm worried about what

654
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.599
bills are coming next month. Right, And if we flip

655
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.800
that a little bit and say no, we need to

656
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.440
prioritize and give every single dollar in our business a

657
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.760
job so that when it comes in, we know where

658
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.719
it goes. So that's things like paying ourselves. That's things

659
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.199
like paying our taxes and saving for our taxes. That's

660
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:44.960
also things like you know, reinvesting, you know, saving to

661
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.480
reinvest back in your business for bigger things that you

662
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.639
as you want to grow, Right, things out of the

663
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.719
normal course of business that you want to have money

664
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:55.239
there for. And it's even things on a personal level,

665
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.039
like you know, saving for your future and retirement or

666
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.480
debt paydown or just you know. I have what's called

667
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.760
a fun fund that's part of you know, the profit

668
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.480
planning that I teach, which is giving every dollar job,

669
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.320
and one of those jobs is just fun. Like it's

670
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.599
just to have fun, like save for a vacation or

671
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.239
you know, like something that you really want to do

672
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.760
that is going to feel really motivating because when you

673
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.079
have a goal like that attached to every dollar that

674
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.639
comes in, it's it's easier to make sure you're keeping

675
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.440
it right because now you have that that really tangible thing.

676
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.159
I think sometimes just like money and saving for retirement,

677
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.159
it's it can only be so motivating, but are really specific,

678
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:36.719
like I want to go to Europe next summer with

679
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.639
my family, right, Like, figure out how much you need

680
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.599
and then make a goal and have every you know,

681
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.480
a portion, maybe it's three percent of every dollar that

682
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.519
comes into your business automatically gets put into saving for

683
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.719
that thing, and you'll make more. You'll make more than

684
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.599
that three percent extra just because of that and Similarly,

685
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.840
I also teach people to have an impact fund, where

686
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.840
you know they have a portion of their money that's

687
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.360
automatically going to causes that they care about. And again,

688
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:08.000
those shift, those subtle things shift from I get the

689
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:11.320
leftovers to like, every dollar that comes in here has

690
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:15.000
a job, has a purpose, and it's aligned with my

691
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.519
values and what I want to put out in the world.

692
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:19.880
Right yeah, And now all of a sudden you feel

693
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.360
that connection. Sometimes we get disconnected a little bit from

694
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.480
our why, but now our money is literally tied directly

695
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.199
into our why. You determine those percentages, you determine what

696
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.400
that split is based on what you want, and that

697
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:34.760
is a huge mindset shift then.

698
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:40.039
Right yeah, huge? And you said a sparkly, shiny word

699
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:41.960
that I love, which is your why? I want to

700
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:42.840
know Jamie's why.

701
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:46.800
I mean, I think it's that. I think it's a

702
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.639
lot of the things that we've talked about. I feel

703
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.760
I am a very justice minded person and that's been

704
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.239
a through line I realized in my whole life. I

705
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.840
thought that I was gonna I have many different careers

706
00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.360
I thought I was going to go into before this,

707
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.039
and they all centered around justice. Right, So I thought

708
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.840
I was going to be a lawyer or a politician

709
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:12.079
making policy, like doing actual real policy work. Then when

710
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.079
I got into accounting, what I really wanted to do

711
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.400
was forensic accounting, which is essentially like you you know,

712
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.639
the FBI has forensic accountants. It's like the Ben Affleck

713
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.840
movie right where they go into businesses and it's you know,

714
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.039
they're looking into en run and following the money. Like,

715
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:32.159
I have a huge bent towards justice, and so I

716
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.960
think that for me to feel satisfied in anything that

717
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.360
I'm doing, it feels like it has to be in

718
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.920
service of justice, right in fighting for the little guy,

719
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.960
in making sure that systems aren't you know, exploiting people.

720
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.599
And so I think that, you know, no matter what

721
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.679
I do in my life and how things pivot, I

722
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.079
think that's always underlying. And that was a big AHA

723
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.119
moment for me. I bet is that oh, this this

724
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.559
is you know, I you know this is this has

725
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.920
been sitting in me forever. I have journals from when

726
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.079
I was in high school, like talking about this stuff.

727
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.679
So I think that that has to exist in anything

728
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:12.960
that I do in order for me to feel fulfilled.

729
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.679
So there's a lot there and I didn't. I wasn't

730
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.360
aware that you had so many different interests along the way.

731
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.320
So it makes me very curious what you would tell

732
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.039
twenty two year old Jamie oh Man.

733
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:33.199
God, probably probably that not to be so hard on herself.

734
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.320
That's number one. She was very hard on herself. And

735
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:44.840
also that it's okay to fail. I think I very much,

736
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.599
And I didn't have words for it until I kind

737
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.000
of got more into the personal development world and understood,

738
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.920
but very much was a fixed mindset person for a

739
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.239
long time. Uh. And so what happens with fixed mindset

740
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.920
people is they are very unlikely to to try something

741
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.320
they're not sure they're going to succeed at. And so

742
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.519
we want to have as many assurances as possible that

743
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.679
we are going to succeed at something before we commit

744
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.480
to it. I am not an easy commitment person, right, Like, I,

745
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.079
you know, want to look at it six ways to

746
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.880
Sunday before I commit to it, because if I commit,

747
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.079
I'm gonna do it, right I am like, I don't.

748
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.719
I don't have I joke my friend's joke, like I

749
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:27.880
hate accountability. I hate when people are checking in with

750
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.559
me because I'm like, I got this, I'm gonna do it.

751
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:33.400
I don't. That's not my problem. But I do really

752
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.679
avoid commitment because I know I've got to do it.

753
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.719
And so I think when I was kind of twenty two,

754
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:41.559
I was very fixed mindset. I was only going to

755
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:43.360
do things that I knew I could succeed at. I

756
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.320
think I was afraid of what it would mean, what

757
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.360
it would say about me if I failed at something.

758
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.280
And now I've switched that mindset so much to see

759
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.400
failure as data and and I fully believe that clarity

760
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.559
and success only come from and some of those are

761
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.320
going to work out and some of them aren't, but

762
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.920
we'll never know unless we try. I can't analyze the

763
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.280
outcome enough to figure out what's gonna happen. Like that's

764
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.599
just you know it. It isn't practical to be able

765
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.920
to do that. And so that's what I tell her,

766
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.239
and that's what I tell a lot of people who

767
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.400
are who I see myself in. I'm like, just do

768
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.159
the thing that's gonna be the biggest difference. You know.

769
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:24.719
They asked me, like what should I do. I'm like,

770
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:28.280
I don't know. Something. Take a step and then you'll

771
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:29.480
know if it was the right one or the wrong

772
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.000
one or partially the right one, you know, and then

773
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:34.719
just keep taking those steps. You don't have to make

774
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.880
it mean anything negative about who you are, right if

775
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.320
it doesn't work out, like that's not.

776
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.559
What that says exactly. And people I think are also

777
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.559
afraid to succeed too. There's a fear of failure and

778
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.000
there's a fear of success, and some of us end

779
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.800
up battling with both in that of the time. But

780
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:54.719
thank you for sharing that story because I think it's

781
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:59.000
super relatable for people, and it digs into a little

782
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.760
bit more of your animals polytical mind, which makes me

783
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.920
even more fascinated to ask you about an unreal moment

784
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.199
that you've had because your analytical mind, I would think,

785
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.760
maybe a little bit less likely to acknowledge an unreal

786
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.119
moment when it comes to you. So talk me through

787
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.920
something that's happened to you, for honestly good or bad

788
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.199
in your life that felt unreal and what you learn from.

789
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.280
It, I think, And this has been one of the

790
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.360
biggest journeys too, that you know, kind of battling against

791
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.000
my analytical mind, because I feel like I am a

792
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.519
different person today than I was, say, eight years ago,

793
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.039
when I started this business, and part of that is

794
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.719
learning to trust myself and my gut and knowing where

795
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.599
I'm pulled in the direction that I'm being pulled and

796
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.880
trusting that, yeah, and trusting my gut is very different

797
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.599
than trusting my head, right, And so I would say, honestly,

798
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.880
the biggest moment that felt really surreal still still feels

799
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:56.280
really surreal to me is all during COVID and COVID.

800
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:58.559
So just to kind of level set where I was

801
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.599
in my business. I'd started a business. It was more

802
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.679
service based at first, being a CFO for small businesses,

803
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.280
and in late twenty nineteen, I pivoted my business towards

804
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.239
education based, and so that was what I was really

805
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.440
passionate about. I could serve more people, I could serve

806
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:14.800
the smaller businesses that I really wanted to serve, So

807
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.760
it felt really aligned to do that. Well. So I

808
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.719
had gotten rid of all pretty much all like I

809
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.559
think I had maybe one or two clients left by

810
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.280
the spring of twenty twenty, and then the world shut down.

811
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.760
And guess what people don't want to hear about when

812
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:31.599
when their businesses are shut down is how to make

813
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:33.760
more profit in their business, because that isn't really top

814
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:37.199
of mind at that point. And so what that meant

815
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.960
is I had to think about like I could keep

816
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.719
going and just you know, pretend like it wasn't happening

817
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:48.000
and continue to make content. But instead I felt like

818
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:52.320
I had to listen to, you know, what people needed

819
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.599
at the time, right, what they were asking for, and

820
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.599
what they were asking for was a help, and I

821
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.920
had no like, I think my business mind is like

822
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.000
anything I do, I need to know it's going to

823
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.239
be worth doing, right. I need to know that time

824
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:06.480
is going to be like there needs to be a

825
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:11.320
grand plan, what's the you know, like marketing funnel for this? Right?

826
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.159
I all of that went to the wayside. I didn't

827
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.159
care about a single bit of it. I just knew

828
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.880
I'm going to show up and serve in this moment,

829
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:20.960
and it felt so surreal. It felt like I was

830
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.440
literally put there for a reason, that I was meant

831
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.280
to be doing that at the time, and that everything

832
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.559
had aligned in that way where I had Because if

833
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:31.960
I had still had all the clients I had a

834
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.840
year earlier, I never would have had the bandwidth to

835
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.239
be able to show up and make content. I was

836
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.280
live every single day was reading the whole cara Is

837
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.320
Act to help people figure out how to get these

838
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.239
government loans and get them forgiven, and all of this right,

839
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:48.159
because it was confusing and it was changing every day.

840
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:50.480
But I didn't have any of that because I had

841
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.400
just my business had moved in this way that it

842
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.760
just felt like it almost set me up to be

843
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.679
able to show up in that space. And I saw

844
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:03.360
the choice of whether or not I was going to

845
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.239
do it, but I did. And that now on the

846
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.559
back end of that right, like this was all things

847
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.079
I did just to help businesses and not for any

848
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.480
money and not for any anything like that. But on

849
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.880
the back end, it grew my business tremendously. I would

850
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.159
not have gotten a book publishing deal had it not

851
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.440
been for that growth. Like we grew. It's surreal to

852
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.480
think about how quickly we were growing in that time.

853
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.800
Like I got monetized on YouTube. I started my YouTube

854
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.079
channel in March or April of twenty twenty, and within

855
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.679
like three weeks we had over ten thousand subscribers to

856
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.519
be able to monetize on YouTube, which is unheard of.

857
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.000
Right we got we had I think before COVID we

858
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.360
had a few thousand people in a Facebook group. By

859
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:48.960
you know, eighteen months after COVID, we had forty thousand.

860
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:54.159
So it was just this crazy explosion of growth. I've

861
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.800
never worked more in my entire life. I think I

862
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.639
was working sixteen hour days. But I remember telling my

863
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.599
husband because he was worried about me and my like

864
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:06.400
mental health, right, which fair, right, fair, cair, But I

865
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.039
just told him. I was like, I just feel like

866
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:09.440
this is what I'm supposed to do in this moment.

867
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.039
Like I know I will take care of myself when

868
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:13.519
I can, but I feel like this is what I'm

869
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.800
supposed to do in this moment. I had people sending

870
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:17.480
me dms at two o'clock in the morning who were

871
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.440
about to lose their houses and trying to like, you know,

872
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:25.679
find ways to stay afloat. And so I've never felt

873
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.719
so much, you know, like my skills could actually like

874
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.920
the skills that I have, which are technical accounting, Like

875
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:34.960
who knew that would be able to be of service

876
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.559
in this way, right, Like that's not a normal thing.

877
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.920
And so that that whole moment felt really like I

878
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.400
was supposed to be in that space at that time

879
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:48.719
and was set up with the tools that I needed

880
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.480
to be able to help and to serve, and that's

881
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.000
kind of set the tone for the rest of the

882
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:53.880
business from there on.

883
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.599
Jamie, that is an amazing story. Like I I like

884
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.199
to say, yeah, like I'm inspired by the way that

885
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:07.599
you showed up for yourself and you kept walking confidently

886
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.920
even though it was hard, especially when it was hard.

887
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:14.840
And the difference that you made in these people's lives

888
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.320
who were messaging you at two in the morning and stuff,

889
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.880
My goodness, girl, Like thank you. I just I just

890
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:22.400
like want to say thank you and give you a

891
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:26.480
hug for doing the hard thing when it didn't make

892
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.440
sense to do the hard thing you did and you

893
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.119
showed up not just for for other people, but for

894
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.280
yourself in that. And there's such power in that and

895
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.880
such inspiration in that. And that is thank you for

896
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.519
sharing for but also for showing up.

897
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.480
Yeah, And it's still you know, what's funny is I'll

898
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:48.840
go to conferences or something like that and I'll run

899
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.639
into people that are like, I know you you saved

900
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.159
my business or you know, and I and it feels strange,

901
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.800
like I don't know how to take those things. But

902
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.800
it's it's really, it's really incredible to be able to

903
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.000
have had that level of impact. You just don't always

904
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.519
get that opportunity. And I think a little bit of

905
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.079
you know, the back end of that, I dealt with

906
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.679
a lot of anxiety and like borderline depression after all

907
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.719
of that, And I think part of it was, you know,

908
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:19.599
coming out of it, thinking was this what I was

909
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.880
here for? And like will I ever be able to

910
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.719
be of service in that way again? Right? And there's

911
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.320
a part of me that like I almost am striving

912
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.599
still to get that back to feel like how can

913
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:35.119
I be connected in that way again? And I think

914
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.880
what I've realized is we don't always have a global pandemic,

915
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.639
thankfully to need that, But there's so many ways, Like

916
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:44.639
there's so many things that we can be doing every

917
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.960
single day that have an impact. It doesn't have to

918
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.679
be that. But that's been a struggle, Like that was

919
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.559
definitely a struggle on the back end of it, feeling like,

920
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.880
you know, was that my purpose? And what's like what

921
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:59.079
else is there? How could I ever ever find anything

922
00:47:59.079 --> 00:47:59.960
as fulfilling as that?

923
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:03.480
You know, what else is there is? There? Has? There

924
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:07.000
is an opportunity right now, right here to say something

925
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.280
to the world. If I handed you a microphone, megaphone,

926
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:16.440
whatever kind of big projective microphone. What would you tell

927
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.760
the world if if everybody had to listen to for

928
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.039
you know, thirty seconds, what would you tell the world?

929
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:27.199
Yeah, we need you, We need you to step into

930
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.039
your power. We need you to step up and you know,

931
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:36.000
take your share of that economic pie. We need more

932
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:39.440
wealth in the hands of people the care and that

933
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.440
we'll use it for care. That's how we're going to

934
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:47.000
make change in this world. That's how we're going to

935
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:54.199
see these institutions of power fall is by stepping up

936
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.800
and saying no. And we need to be well resourced

937
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.519
for that fight. We can't we can can't fight fully

938
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:06.039
from the outside of the system unfortunately, right, So we

939
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.679
need to be well resourced so that we can stand

940
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:09.880
up and fight.

941
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.719
Your impact is going to be so much bigger than COVID.

942
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:18.880
I mean, it's already is in my opinion. But that's

943
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:21.880
why I want to ask a question about that takes

944
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.679
us to the future, because we've spent some time in

945
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:26.519
the past, we've spent some time in the present, and

946
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.800
now I want to look forward to your eightieth birthday.

947
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.599
Don't do the math and think about your people that

948
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.559
are there. Picture where it is, but picture it in

949
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.920
your head like it's real, and tell me what you

950
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:41.320
want them to be saying about you.

951
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.760
I think the interesting thing here is I would have

952
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.000
expected that I would say, oh, I want all the

953
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.360
people that I've helped to show up, and I actually think,

954
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.639
when I boil it down, though, what I want who

955
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.119
I want there, who I really care about, what they

956
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.480
think is the the people that I love that you

957
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:06.079
know live in this house, right, and so my kids

958
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.639
there are kids eventually someday, right. I want my family there,

959
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.519
and I want them to say that, you know, I

960
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.159
was there for them, and they always knew that I

961
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.559
was there for them. And sure I would like to

962
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.280
feel like maybe I inspired them to do something or

963
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:29.360
you know, showed them that you know, disguy's the limit

964
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.320
in terms of possibility, right, But more than anything, I

965
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.199
just want them to to be glad that I was

966
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.960
there and know that I was there and know that

967
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.719
I had their back in all the things.

968
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.239
I'm glad you're here, like I'm I feel it from

969
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.960
just you showing up for us and for me today.

970
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.880
I'm very very grateful for that. So I do have

971
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.280
a couple of questions that are more a little more

972
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:56.199
quick hitting, but talk talk as you need to, starting

973
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:59.440
with quick before you forget. What is something in your

974
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.960
life right this minute, right now that you don't want

975
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.400
to forget.

976
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:11.400
Oh my, how how it feels to be a mom

977
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:16.599
of kids these ages. Probably, I think sometimes I am

978
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.079
very much a future thinking person, and so sometimes I'm

979
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.000
not great at being in the present and my kids

980
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.239
I already am seeing. You know, my son's in sixth

981
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.199
grade and he's already growing up into a whole human

982
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.199
and so it's crazy how fast it goes. So I think,

983
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.360
just I don't want to forget that. I don't want

984
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.519
to forget, you know, the carpools and the hugs and

985
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:40.119
the hearing about their days and the people that are becoming.

986
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:47.440
Jamie, you're making me cry, am making me cry. We

987
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.159
can cry together. It's fine. It happens on the show

988
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.760
more than I expected. So the thing is as you

989
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:55.639
as I think. You know, I have a twelve year

990
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:57.960
old son, and I feel exactly the same way, and

991
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.320
I know that a lot of us do, and I like,

992
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.920
you know, we used to joke about everybody talking about

993
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.280
how how it goes so fast, and like haha, yes,

994
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.679
you know, but of course it does, and of course

995
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:12.800
we're here and I'm seeing it. I'm seeing this twelve

996
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.599
year old human whose, honest to goodness, probably within the

997
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.960
next We've been watching it for months, but we're getting

998
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.199
close to where my twelve year old will be taller

999
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.360
than me within the next few weeks. I told my husband,

1000
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:25.719
I'm like, you need to keep an eye on it,

1001
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.480
because I'm not going to miss that moment, like I want,

1002
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.360
I want to know. I want to document the moment

1003
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.239
when he gets taller than me, so like I need

1004
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.480
I need somebody other than because to me, he's already

1005
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.920
taller than me, Like, how how is my little baby

1006
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:42.199
at eye level with me? Is crazy? So there's something

1007
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:47.039
so powerful there because you are this inspirational business person

1008
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.880
and your business is so impactful and helps so many people.

1009
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.360
And you're a mama who just who just loves her baby,

1010
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:59.400
you know, like, and I feel that, and I know

1011
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:01.559
that I can't be the only one. So thank you

1012
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.840
for that answer because I felt it. That's that's the

1013
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.960
that's the closest I've come to a full like crying

1014
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.079
sob on the show so far. So woh, I didn't

1015
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:13.639
expect it to happen with my financial friend. But here

1016
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:19.000
we are this goracious, So this is gonna this is

1017
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.679
gonna be another question that potentially could go that direction.

1018
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:24.159
Take it there if you want, but not if you don't.

1019
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.559
You know, if there's something else. But what matters to

1020
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.760
you most right now?

1021
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:36.199
I think it is, you know, trying to bridge It's interesting.

1022
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:41.280
I sometimes feel like I live two different lives, right,

1023
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.840
and people see one one part of that and not

1024
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.199
the other part of that. But the reason that I

1025
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.639
do all of this is is for my family, Like

1026
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.440
that is the most important thing. And so I have

1027
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:56.519
a lot of goals and I want to I want

1028
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.840
to make a huge impact, and that is so incredibly

1029
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.840
important in my business. But when I do bring it

1030
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.760
back down to what really matters, it's my family. It's

1031
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:08.320
creating a future they want to live in too, right,

1032
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:10.800
So all of that is in service of you know,

1033
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.159
what can I do to make this world to you know,

1034
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.960
I'm not going to be around forever, and I want

1035
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:21.119
to be able to make this world better for them,

1036
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.000
and I want them to know that they're loved. I

1037
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:25.320
think that's just the most important things right now.

1038
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.719
Yeah, it's so true and it's it's not a small

1039
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:33.000
thing like it sounds. It sounds so you know, ideal

1040
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:35.920
idyllic is that the word. But it's not a small

1041
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:40.840
thing to create that sense of belonging in your family

1042
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:44.599
and that sense of knowing that the future is what

1043
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:45.119
we make it.

1044
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.440
And it's why, you know, my family is why I

1045
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.119
started this business to begin with, Right, Like, I wanted

1046
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:51.679
to be able to get my kids off the bus

1047
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.639
stop at the end of the day. I wanted to

1048
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.840
be able to show up for the things that matter

1049
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:59.360
to them and to me. And I worked a corporate

1050
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.440
job before this, and that wasn't always possible, right, And

1051
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:04.840
you know, sometimes that's what we have to do. But

1052
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.480
we had the ability, thankfully, to be able to do this,

1053
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:09.880
and I didn't know if it was going to work.

1054
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.760
And now that it is, you know, it's amazing. Because

1055
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.079
is it always great. It's sometimes loud here trying to

1056
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:19.239
work from home. I'm yelling, hey, I'm making a YouTube video.

1057
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.920
Everybody be quiet, right, Yeah, it's not always rainbows and butterflies,

1058
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.199
but it is a lot of what I had hoped for,

1059
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:30.679
which is I have the flexibility to prioritize the things

1060
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:33.000
that are most important to me and sometimes I have

1061
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:35.079
to put that. Like with COVID, I put a lot

1062
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.800
of my extra time into the work bucket because that's

1063
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:41.239
what was calling me at the time. But I can

1064
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.000
make those decisions right and I can go with what's

1065
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.639
you know, where do I need to be right now?

1066
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:50.880
What where does my presence really matter? And for me,

1067
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.960
I think, you know, in my home is a big

1068
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:55.360
part of that. But I can do both.

1069
00:55:55.400 --> 00:56:00.320
Thankfully, we are grateful for this truth. So I doenly

1070
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:03.360
on this show talk about music a little bit, and

1071
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:07.800
music and finances generally don't aren't in the same conversation,

1072
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:09.679
but we're gonna We're gonna make.

1073
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:10.840
It so they should be.

1074
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.800
They should be. Indeed, so I want to know Jamie's

1075
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.840
playlist for a song of survival that you turn to

1076
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:19.800
in a hard time? What is the song that you

1077
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.000
turn on the radio when things are hard and you

1078
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:24.840
need you need that pick me up and you need

1079
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:25.519
that grounding.

1080
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:30.719
Yes, So the top of my Spotify playlist for that is.

1081
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:33.360
And it's funny because it's actually the same advice I

1082
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.480
gave to twenty two year old me, which is, don't

1083
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:38.239
be so hard on yourself. It's a song by Jess

1084
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:42.239
Glynn and that is that is my absolute favorite.

1085
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.920
I love Jess Glynn and I love that song. Keep

1086
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:45.559
talking it's.

1087
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.039
It's It's my absolute favorite. Whenever I need it, I

1088
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.719
have a whole I have multiple different Spotify playlists depending

1089
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:54.159
on my mood, so a good amount of Taylor Swift.

1090
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:57.719
I have a full burn it down playlist, which is

1091
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:02.400
all the you know, my right, justice filled anger that

1092
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:03.079
I listened to.

1093
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.639
What's at the top of that one? I need to know.

1094
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.920
Who's afraid of Little old Me? Taylor Swift, That's my

1095
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.440
favorite one. So I did that a lot. I actually

1096
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:18.440
I thought of recently not you know, last year fought

1097
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.800
a lawsuit that was more it was against a bigger

1098
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.800
company that had stolen some of our intellectual property and

1099
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:26.719
used it for not great things and to take advantage

1100
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:30.719
of people. And it was a very expensive legal fight,

1101
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.760
but I you know, we we sued them, and you know,

1102
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.719
we won, or I see it as we won. And

1103
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:39.639
that was the playlist I made for that. So it

1104
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.719
was you know, walking into you know, arbitration with who's

1105
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.840
who's afraid of little old Me? In my ear, I

1106
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.159
am obsessed with that and they should have been afraid

1107
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:52.400
of me.

1108
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:54.960
They were as they should be. And that is that

1109
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:56.960
is one of that is actually one of my top

1110
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.400
I mean, I'm a swiftye and people that watch this

1111
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.119
show can see that because I have I have a

1112
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:09.519
precious the folklore Long Pond Sessions is a sought after

1113
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:12.280
swifty relic. And then you know, I have a beautiful

1114
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:15.480
photo that has the heart her doing her heart thing

1115
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:19.599
for fearless, So huge swifty here. And also Who's afraid

1116
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.000
of Little Me is one of the top ones for

1117
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.159
me too, So anthem. It is an anthem, and I'm

1118
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.440
so excited to know that I share it with somebody

1119
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:31.119
as amazing as Janie. That is amazing, and and that

1120
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:35.519
you used that song for something so justified and for

1121
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:40.199
the for the sake of justice. Yes, Jamie, this I

1122
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:42.079
could talk to you forever. I could talk you for hours.

1123
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.079
This has been so much fun. Before I let you go, though,

1124
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:48.119
I wanted to ask if there's anything in anything else

1125
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.840
that you want to add or share with anybody you

1126
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.039
know about the book or about what you're working on

1127
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.440
right now or anything like that where people can find

1128
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:57.880
you all that all that jazz. This is this is

1129
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.519
the moment for you to just say what you want

1130
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:00.880
to say.

1131
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:03.639
Yeah, we have some exciting things coming. So we're doing

1132
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:06.079
a full rebrand for the first time in like seven

1133
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.880
years on the business. So that's very exciting. I just

1134
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.800
did a whole new photo shoot last week and got

1135
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:15.960
the photos back. I'm very excited. So we will be

1136
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:21.519
having a new website coming out soon ifh and so

1137
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:23.719
you can check out Jamie Tarll dot com if you

1138
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:25.760
want to come see all the fun things that we

1139
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:28.000
have to offer. Definitely check out the book. We do

1140
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.199
have book bonuses too, which I'll give you the link

1141
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:32.440
for that tie so you can put it in the

1142
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:34.400
show notes. If you buy the book anywhere where books

1143
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:38.039
are sold, you can get our free bonuses, which you exciting.

1144
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:39.639
I appreciate that so much.

1145
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:42.920
Yeah yeah, so yeah good. And then YouTube as well.

1146
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.480
I'm all over YouTube if you want, you know, practical

1147
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:48.679
advice that makes sense on your you know, how to

1148
00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:50.679
be more profitable in your business, how to manage taxes

1149
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.280
in your business. All that is all over on YouTube

1150
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:53.760
for free.

1151
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.480
Beautiful Jamie, thank you for being here. I really appreciate

1152
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.519
you and we will see you next time on quick

1153
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.519
before you forget. Thank you for being here with me

1154
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:08.360
today on Quick Before You Forget, Please like, share, and

1155
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.239
subscribe as that helps the show so much and I

1156
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.119
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1157
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.559
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