May 25, 2026

Make It Count: How to Turn Disruption into Purpose

Make It Count: How to Turn Disruption into Purpose

What happens when life disrupts everything you thought you wanted? In this powerful conversation, leadership expert, former Army officer, professor, and bestselling author Patrick Leddin, PhD, shares what it really means to turn disruption into...

What happens when life disrupts everything you thought you wanted?

In this powerful conversation, leadership expert, former Army officer, professor, and bestselling author Patrick Leddin, PhD, shares what it really means to turn disruption into growth, purpose, and positive change.

Together, we explore leadership, resilience, relationships, identity, and the moments that redefine us from the inside out. If you’ve ever felt lost, uncertain, overwhelmed, or like the life you planned no longer fits the person you’re becoming, this conversation is for you.

Because your time here is finite. Make it count. 💛

Meaningful Moments

00:00 — Why disruption can become your greatest opportunity
01:00 — Patrick’s childhood mentor and lessons on excellence
03:00 — The relationship disruption that changed his marriage and life
08:00 — Building a business from the ground up
10:00 — Fear vs. excitement when selling a company
11:00 — What separates people who stabilize from those who spiral
14:00 — The 16 strengths of positive disruptors
16:00 — Why disruption starts from the inside out
17:00 — Staying calm under pressure and leading through uncertainty
21:00 — How to practice resilience before disruption happens
23:00 — Patrick’s purpose: helping others live their great purpose
24:00 — From community college dropout to Vanderbilt professor
26:00 — Knowing when it’s time to change direction
29:00 — “Your time here is finite. Make it count.”
31:00 — Why people underestimate themselves
33:00 — Walking, nature, and staying grounded
36:00 — The legacy Patrick hopes to leave behind
39:00 — The people who “got back on the bus” for him
42:00 — Music, memory, and emotional connection
44:00 — The message Patrick would share with the world
46:00 — Disrupting his relationship with his parents for good
49:00 — Why people just want someone who will listen
51:00 — What James Patterson taught him about living a good life
54:00 — How resilience is actually built over time

Connect with Patrick
📘 Book: Disrupt Everything and Win
🌐 Website: https://patrickleddin.com/
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/patrickleddin
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickleddin/

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Everyone is disrupted in life. We all are, but some

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of us choose to be positive disruptors who use that

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disruption for progress and innovation and growth. And I think

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I would tell people that you've got that person within

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you too. The world needs you, so go disrupt for good.

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Hello, and welcome to Quick Before you forget today, I

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am so excited and so grateful to be here with

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Patrick Leton, leadership expert, former Army officer, professor, and Wall

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Street Journal and New York Times best selling author. Patrick

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studies what happened when the ground shifts beneath you and

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how leaders don't just survive disruption, but they use it

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to grow stronger and change the world for good. If

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you've ever felt like plans fell apart and you weren't

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sure what to do next, this conversation is going to

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meet you right there. Today. We're here to learn from

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Patrick's story. Patrick, what that looks like is walking a

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bit through your past, present and future together. Are you

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ready for that?

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I'm ready. Let's do it, ty yay.

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So let's go back to the past. First of all,

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who is somebody that in your childhood left a lasting

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impact on who you are today?

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Well, actually, when I was growing up. I grew up

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in Chicago or a south side of Chicago, and there's

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a few people I could think over, of course a

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time who left an impact. I did this thing called

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marching Drum and Bugo corp as a kid, because I

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was a trumpet player, and we would spend our summers,

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you know, marching one town after another, like competitively type

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of thing. And there was an instructor named Don who

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left a lasting impact on me. Don away sadly last year,

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but I tried to stay in contact contact with him,

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and he was just a guy who would not accept

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anything but your best and I really appreciated that. There

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was a fair amount of yelling at us that happen

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over the years when we would march with him, and

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lots of long days and not enough water breaks. But

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definitely learned so much from Don. And you know, the

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guy who didn't really get paid anything to do that.

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I think he just poured himself.

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Into It's what's one of the things that you learned

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from him that applies to something that you're that you

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do today, Like what's something that stands out.

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I think Don would just be the type of guy

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and who would say I can get up today and

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be mediocre, or get up today and to be great.

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be great, and I may end up in a mediocre spot,

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but it's not because of lack of trying. And I

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think that's something that really stuck with me.

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you read a lot about disruption, and I'm wondering, what

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was the most personal disruption that you've experienced and one

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that just didn't just change you but changed your strategy.

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a book. Couple books ago. I wrote about this story,

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and I wasn't planning to write about it. It just

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kind of happened. It made sense for what I was

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working on, so years ago tied to put it in perspective.

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My wife and I owned a consulting practice. We started

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it back in two thousand and one and we sold

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it in twenty twelve. So we acquired in twenty twelve.

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the garage, to a place with four offices around the

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country and a really great group of employees, a really

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great group of clients, and I noticed along the way.

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I didn't notice until in retrospect, but quite frankly, I

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started to shift my wife from being my wife to

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being my business partner more and more and more. And

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we had kids, and we were just so busy doing that,

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and we were always just going one hundred miles an hour,

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like many people are. And one time I was coming

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been at one of our offices and I was flying

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back in and the whole plan was I was going

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to come back in the early afternoon, drive home, grab

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my wife. We were going to go to an event

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later for meetings, caught a later flight. I thought, no

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big deal. I called my wife and said, hey, I'm

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running late. I'll just meet you at the event. Typical

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event and I could tell she wasn't too happy with me.

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of rural gas station and there was no overhead cover.

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car with gas, the sky so open up in this

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running out of fuel and get caught in the rain

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storm with no umbrella. And I get in the car

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my driveway, the garage door goes up before I push

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the button, and my wife is standing there, and she said,

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we need to talk about our relationship. And it was

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one of those situations where, yeah, weeks turned two months,

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months turned to a couple of years. It just really

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tough times for us. But it was partly one of

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those situations where I just was way off kilter and

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what was really most important and and doing so just

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did not treat her and see it in myself the

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way I should have. So I think that that was

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something like, you know, as a life lesson, you have

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to learn your way through it. We're still married together.

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it was tough, and I just think sometimes we take it,

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we take for granted the most important relationships in our life.

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So I had I didn't have a word for it,

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but now I would say I needed to disrupt that relationship.

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How did you do that? Like break that down for us,

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because that's thank you for sharing some things so personal,

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and I want to know how you work through it

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as as much as you're comfortable to share, obviously, but

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that's a hard that's a hard thing, and I think

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a lot of us fall into that trap. So how

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what's a practical way that you would coach somebody through

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a situation like that.

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with it in all the wrong ways. I probably kne

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a very good job dealing with it, you know, denying

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that we were having problems, or probably even if I

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was saying outwardly that it was it was my fault,

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probably inwardly I was thinking it was her fault. You know,

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probably a bunch of things like that. But for me,

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it was a matter of really trying to reassess where

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am I go in life and who do I want

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with me and what really is most important and recognizing

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I had somebody tell me this years later. He said,

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you have to realize you have five fingers, and he

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referred to them as like relationships. So when you're growing up,

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it's all about you, and then maybe maybe at some

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point it's about you and your work, and you and

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your impact in the world, you and your team, things

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like that. Then if you're lucky enough to find a

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partner in life, it would be about you your work

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and your partner in life. And then if you have

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children or grow a family, that's you your partner, your

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work in life, and your family, and then ultimately it

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might be your legacy. And what he was saying was

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the idea of like, don't confuse one partner with the other,

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and I confused my work with my wife, and so

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it just took a little while to kind of unravel that,

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and it was it was I say, it's a couple

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of years. It was a couple of tough years of

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you know, you don't Stephen Cove used to say, you

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don't behave you you don't talk yourself out of something

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you behave yourself into. So it was me going from

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denying that there was a problem, to be blaming that

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was a problem, to rerealizing, hey, I'm a big part

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of this problem, to me saying okay, well, in order

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for me to reset and fix that problem, I've got

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to say, notice some things that have kind of been

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part of my identity. So I kind of had to

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figure my way through that. But ultimately, you know, this

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is fifteen twenty years ago. Now, ultimately I look at

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that kind of it was the best decision I made,

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but it just required me to change.

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And there's that word again, change slash disruption. So I

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heard you say you essentially built a business from the

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ground up, and obviously that too is met with a

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lot of change and disruption in addition to the relationship

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issues that you mentioned. I'm wondering, what is something that

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happened that changed the trajectory of the business for you

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and that you saw later as something that happened for

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you rather than to you.

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like I said above, the garage in our house. I

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spent first part of my career as you mentioned in

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the army. So I did the Army Ranger thing and

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then went to a firm called KPMG Consulting, and I

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did that for a couple of years. I left KPMG

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and then this business opportunity opened up, so we started

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doing consulting working it was myself and my wife, and

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then eventually myself and my wife and a couple of people,

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and then we had several employees and dozens of employees

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and a few offices and just kind of kept growing

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had this big vision of, Okay, we're going to build

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this business and it's going to be acquired over time.

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way and worked out nicely for me. But there were

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several things along the way that we had had to

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disrupt and rethink. And I think probably one of the

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biggest ones is as you're building something like that, all

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of a sudden, it's like you have another child in

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your life. It's this business, and this business is you know,

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in the bed when you're going to bed to night

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and you're talking, you're talking about the business and when

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you eat breakfast in the morning together, if you've been

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fortunate enough to do that, you're talking about the business,

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and same thing at lunch and same thing at dinner.

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thing that really disrupted me through the whole process of

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the businesses as we were growing it. Obviously there's things

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like trusting other employees with your baby and bringing in

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different clients that have different expectations of you and deciding

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how you're going to meet those But for us, I

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think the biggest thing was when we sold it. We

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didn't expect to sell the business. My wife and I

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were actually out of the country for a few months

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on a project and we came back from being overseas.

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Europe and then we went over to Asia. We were

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in Malaysia and Singapore and China, and we were gone

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for like three solid months. And we came back from

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that trip and a former boss of mine at KPMG

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and I were just chatting it up over the winter

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holidays and he said, wait a minute, you've been gone

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for three months. I'm like, yeah. He goes, and your

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employees haven't quit and I said no, and he said,

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your customers haven't quit and I said no, and he said,

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do you want to sell your company? Talked to my

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boss and his boss was looking to acquire a company,

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so they came along and bought us. So that was

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an interesting experience, just really disruptive. And I remember the day,

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the day we handed it over the keys to the

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new owners. It was a really interesting thing. We're in

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this meeting with our team, most of our people were there.

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walk the new owners and they kind of take the

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keys from us and thank us, and everybody clapsed and

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we walk out of the room. We're in the hallway

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going wow, this is a weird feeling, like it's exciting.

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was really it was really good for us to go

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through that process. But I would say in many ways,

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we kind of gave birth to that child and then

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watched that child go and leave the home and go

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do something better.

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And you said fear and excitement together in the same sentence,

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which makes me happy because That's kind of one of

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my comfort languages, with changing your fear into excitement, with

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your with what you do in your head. And I

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don't mean to lead the witness here, but I do

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have a question that kind of speaks to that, which is,

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when things fall apart, like things feel scary and disrupted,

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what separates those from those who stabilize from those who spiral.

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the answer, but I've seen some good answers. I would

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think that part of it happens long before the disruption

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comes along. So I taught at Vanderbilt for years. I

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taught leading business through times of crisis, and occasionally I

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had sections through very guest speaker driven And there was

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this guest speaker came in one time. He was the

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CEO of American Airlines. So you can imagine there's twenty

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five kids in the room, students in the room, and

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in walks Doug Parker, the CEO of American Airlines, and

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he comes in with Sarah Nelson, the president of the

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Flight Attendants Association. So you have labor and management coming

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in together to talk to the students. And there's a

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line that Doug said to me that to the room

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that really stuck with me. He said, a crisis is

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never the time to start making introductions. And what he

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meant by that is you better know the players. Know

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the other airline leaders, know the people in labor, know

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people in legislator, know the legislators before something goes awry.

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you know, before the disruption hits, we need to know

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the other players, starting with player at number one, which

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is you? So, why are you here? Where are you

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trying to go? What do you value? What are the

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most important relationships in your life? All of these type

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of things. I think we need to be thinking about

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those things nearly daily, if not daily. I try to now,

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especially since I've gone through my ups and downs in

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life too, like all of us have, And so I think,

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like knowing knowing yourself is really really critical before the

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disruption hits. And if you don't know yourself before the

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disruption hits, try to get to know yourself real quick,

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really figure out what matters to you. Because the first

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step we found in our research around disruption is that

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they kind of. I'll say the smart people, the positive

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disruptors in the world, the one who say, okay, I

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could take this disruption and turn it into something good.

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Those are the people who don't just react, but they discern,

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so they something happens and you know, tey, disruption can

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be anything that stops in your tracks. So it can

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be something small and unique to you, like the results

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of a medical test, and that medical test, by the way,

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could be good results, like hey, cancer is in remission.

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That's disruptive, or we found cancer that's disruptive. They can

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be ubiquitous like COVID and everybody has to deal with COVID.

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They can be a new project opportunity that you're excited about,

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or the loss of a job. It can be just

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a change in your family situation. Maybe you have a

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child and they go off to school or they do something.

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So we're dealt with these We deal with these disruptions

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all the time. But we found the most effective people

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don't just react. They step back and they say, Okay,

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I'm going to think this thing through and decide what

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what should I do in this moment. Should I like

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lean into the change, should I pull back and say

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that's interesting, but not right now? Should I move out

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on my own? Should I move out with other people?

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And it isn't just they're not just shooting from the hip.

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They're really thinking through what roles should I take on

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and recognizing that even if they have a natural tendency

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to be the type of person who goes after the

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change or says no to the change or whatever it

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might be, that's only one factor in the entire equation

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my natural tendency. The next one is like, what's the

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situation calling for me to do? Which one's going to

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allow me to throw that fuel on the fire within

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myself and from there I choose which role to take on.

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That's a really critical thing. And then we also found

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that these positive disruptors we studied, they're really good at

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leaning into their strengths as opposed to kind of trying

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to deal with just a weaknesses or try to figure out,

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like how do I make this work when I don't

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have X y Z. They're thinking about I have ABC

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now that I don't have X y Z. So we

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spent I spent two and a half years studying this

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concept of disruption at Vanderbilt. That's what turned into a

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book with James Patterson on the topic of disrupt Everything

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and when, and the idea here was you have disruptive strengths.

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Everybody listening to this podcast has disruptive strengths. We found

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sixteen of them in the research, so they're everything from

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some people are really good at looking deeply to uncover insights.

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Like they look at something, they go, what's going on here?

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I saw something similar to someplace else? What's the insight here?

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And an insight is something that few people know and

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it's valuable. You know, if everybody knows it, that's not

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really an insight. If only a few people know it,

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but it's not valuable. Like I know my favorite movie.

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That's not an insight. But if I know something that

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it is valuable and few people know it, that's an insight.

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So what's the insight here? Some people are really good

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at that. Other people have great instincts, Some people are

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really good at casting a vision. Some people can stand

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firmly in the face of doubters, and the list goes

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on and on. Now, when we were doing the research,

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I kept thinking, I hope there's just like one or

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two behaviors to be a really great disruptor in the world,

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like because then it would be like the book would

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be like this one thing, just do this one thing,

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and there isn't. There's sixteen of them, and guess what,

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nobody had them all really well and there's no perfect combination.

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Which and I've never been in a room before where

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I haven't described the sixteen and asked people to raise

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their hands and they kind of self assess that I've

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got that one, or yes, I've got that one. I've

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never met somebody who didn't have at least water to

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of them. So some people really care about others. Other

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people are really good at listening to understand. Some people

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hear what isn't even said. Some people are really good

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at rolling their sleeves up and getting their hands dirty.

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These are all different examples of positive disruptive behaviors. And

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then ultimately as they moved along to the process, we

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found that not only did they lean into their strengths

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and bring other people along with them, but they always

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started by disrupting themselves first. You're not going to fix

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the world until you fix yourself. You're not gonna you

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know that type of thing, like it starts from the

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inside out and they would also really get good to

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saying Okay, what did I learn? How can I get better?

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So they're kind of the four steps we found in

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this thing we call the disruptive loop. Is they discern,

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they behave, they achieve, and they refine.

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You've learned a lot about disruption and a lot about

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leadership over the course of time, and a lot of

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that happened not just in study but in practice. So

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I'm wondering what is a how do you stay calm

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under pressure like you've led in high stakes environments? What

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does it look like? And how how do you stay

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find that calm amidst the storm.

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A couple of things on that I'm My faith matters

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to me, so that keeps me grounded in many ways.

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So I try to put things in perspective like that.

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You know, I don't have to change the whole world.

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I just need to worry about my little square inch

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of the world out here and try to impact other

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people in positive ways my purpose. But knowing why I

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believe I'm here is really important to me, and it

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helps ground me. When I messed up things like with

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my wife and our relationship was kit I lost focus

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on those two things it's a really critical my faith

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and my purpose. I also think it's for at least

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me TI. I found that there are things in life

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that somebody tells me is going to be so difficult,

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and then I start to do it and it's never

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quite as difficult as they say it's going to be.

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And there's also things that you're like, oh, it's going

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to be so easy, and I get into it, it's

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never as easy as they say it's going to be.

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So what I realized in life is that I'll take

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people's advice and listen to it, but then I want

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to get my head in there and see what's going on,

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and and and be willing. My dad told me years ago,

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He's like, hey, if your boss or somebody ever gives

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you an opportunity, just say yes to it and see

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what you find out. And I've kind of had that

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bias toward toward action, but you're right. I mean, I

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spent time in the military jumping out of planes, and

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I was a company commander in eighty second Airborne Division.

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I put I threw people out of planes, not literally,

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but we would put them out of planes. I was

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a jump master. You know you're doing all that, and

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there's and there's there's risk, inherent risk in anything that

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people dore's risk driving to work every day. But I

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think that to me, if you get enough reps in life,

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you jump out of a plane enough, or you do

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whatever it might be going to the going to the

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meeting and step up to the presentation board enough, you

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start to realize like, I'm gonna be okay, I got this,

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I can figure my way through it. And by the way,

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there's people around me that want to see me succeed,

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and that's really helpful as well. So I just feel

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like one of the best ways to figure out something

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is to give it a try, and you'll be surprised

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how many people will root you on along the way,

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and that lifts me up.

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I feel that way about this podcast. I am so

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grateful that I have these friends that are coming on,

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like yourself. I'm very grateful for you for you coming

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on and the people that have been watching and commenting

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and sharing. It's really cool because I'm literally building the

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rocket ship in the air, so having that support is everything.

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What is one leadership mistake that people make when things

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feel uncertain.

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I think it's a couple of things. I'll say too.

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You asked for one, but I'll say too. And they're interrelated.

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But I think one thing is that when things feel

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uncertain and kind of weighty, and time feels compressed and

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we feel like the pressure of delivering on something, we

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tend to take and put more and more on our

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own shoulders. And there's a reason we have a team.

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A team is designed to make the weaknesses of one

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overcome the overcome the strength excuse me, strengths of one

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overcome the weaknesses of another. So let's lean into each

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other in those moments. And I also think one of

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the challenge that happens in those moments of uncertainty is

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not only do we leadership wise like take too much

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on our own shoulders, but we also we begin to

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question what's possible. And one thing that did Patterson and

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I try to help people understand is, yes, disruption can

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come along and blow things up. There's no doubt about it,

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good or bad. It blows things up. And that can

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be hard for us because we get things just the

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way we want them and then something happens. But what

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if we just pivot our mindset just a little bit

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and say, yeah, it might blow some things up, but

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what also if it's fertile ground for something new or

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something different, And helping people realize that sometimes when something

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gets disrupted, let's say, even at the face value, it's

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really negative, like, oh gosh, I didn't expect that to happen.

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All of a sudden, a new path might come along,

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or a new door might open, and that may never

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have opened if we didn't go through that moment. So

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recognizing that even the tough times are valuable. I think

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it's a really critical thing for leaders to recognize because

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it helps them to help other people see it as well.

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00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.240
How do you do that, though, Like how do you

465
00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.680
actually start? You said, we do better when we practice

466
00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.839
and you get the reps in. How do you get

467
00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:19.240
those reps in in a way that's constructive because obviously

468
00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.039
we don't know when the disruptions are coming. We don't

469
00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.079
know when the change is going to happen, and the

470
00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.599
best way to handle them is to be prepared. But

471
00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:29.839
how do you practice? How do you work that muscle?

472
00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:31.880
Yeah, that's a great question. So some of it is

473
00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.960
thinking like purpose and values and those things, kind of

474
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.440
getting clear on who you are and where you're hearing,

475
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:39.599
what you're trying to do. Another one is just getting

476
00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:42.480
in the gym and working the muscle. And actually, Mel

477
00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:45.720
Robbins has a podcast and my co writer James Patterson,

478
00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.079
went on Mel Robbins podcast and he came off it

479
00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:49.359
and he's like, you know, Patrick, we need to go

480
00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:51.359
back just when we were working on the book, we

481
00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:52.880
need to go back in and make it easier for

482
00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:55.720
people to make some of these moves. So we created

483
00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.319
what we call twenty seven. There's twenty seven kind of

484
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.480
sprinkled throughout the book. They're just a little idea. We

485
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:05.000
call them twenty seven positive destructor moves because oftentimes it's

486
00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.920
the hardest thing is just taking the first step or

487
00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.759
doing something right, or you feel like somebody else needs

488
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:13.119
to do something, or whatever it might be. So we

489
00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:15.519
give these twenty seven ideas. The point isn't for everybody

490
00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:17.440
to go do all twenty seven of those things right away.

491
00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:19.559
The point is for you to look at it and go,

492
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.839
I could do that. Like one is put it on

493
00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:24.599
the table, And the idea is if you're in a

494
00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.720
meeting or a conversation or a virtual call and the

495
00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:32.079
air just feels heavy, something just feels wrong, just say it.

496
00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.079
Just say something feels like we're a little bit off.

497
00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.480
Normally we seem to be better. Think am I missing it?

498
00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:38.720
And usually what happened to somebody else goes, yeah, I

499
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:40.680
kind of feel that too, or something's going on. So

500
00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:42.279
that's one. Just put it on the table. Another one's

501
00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:44.480
owned the day, Like when you get up in the morning,

502
00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.079
before your feet hit the ground, think about your purpose

503
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.720
and where you're trying to go today. People who understand

504
00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.119
that can really differentiate signal from noise, and they recognize

505
00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:56.839
what the signal is as opposed to all the noise

506
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.720
in the system, say the scary US. That's a little bolder,

507
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.000
so saying yes to an opportunity, saying the hard no.

508
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:05.160
So these are all these little twenty seven things that

509
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.720
you could do and say, you know what, as Jim says,

510
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.079
the book isn't one size fits all in regard to

511
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.279
read the entire book, read all the stories, and then

512
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:14.000
you go and try to be those people doing all

513
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.720
those things. Now the book is you. You read it

514
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:19.000
and along the way you realize, oh, I'm kind of

515
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:21.200
like that person, or I've kind of done something like this.

516
00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.400
You start to realize what you've already done and then

517
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.640
you realize what might be the next good step for you.

518
00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:26.960
And that's what I really want people to do.

519
00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:28.160
A playbook.

520
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.240
Yeah, yeah, a playbook in the world where the plays

521
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:32.960
are being rewritten constantly.

522
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.799
Which is important right now more than ever before. So

523
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:41.119
well done, sir, quick before you forget what actually matters

524
00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:43.359
when everything else feels unstable.

525
00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.680
I think you're why matters?

526
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.000
So why?

527
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.119
Yeah, my purpose is too, And I spent I spent

528
00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:54.920
quite a long time thinking about this, probably more than

529
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.480
I needed to, but I wasn't sure. I don't know

530
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.240
when you figure it out, But my why in life.

531
00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:03.400
I believe my purpose in life is to provide ideas

532
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:05.559
and insights that will allow other people to live their

533
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.519
great purpose. And that's why when this book project came

534
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:10.319
along with Jance Patterson, I'm like, well, that just makes

535
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.920
perfect sense. If I can help figure out how some

536
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.440
people deal with disruption in positive ways and teach people

537
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:18.920
about that, what's a better way than providing an idea

538
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.799
and insight to help other people live their great purpose.

539
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.119
So that's why when people at the university were like,

540
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.519
you're writing a self help type of book, I'm like,

541
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:28.000
you know what, I'm writing a book. I think I

542
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:30.160
have the question burning into me that I need to

543
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:31.079
ask an answer.

544
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:34.839
What would you tell your twenty two year old self

545
00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:35.640
if you could.

546
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:42.480
Get your act together. No, I own a lot of

547
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.640
craziness and stupid decisions I made in my life. I

548
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.119
was Yeah, I spent twelve years teaching at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt's

549
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.920
top thirteen fourteen school in the United States, very much

550
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.440
a global school, very well respected school. I taught there.

551
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:01.079
I ran the program of undergraduate business for you, and

552
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:04.319
I dropped out of community college myself. So talk about

553
00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.319
somebody who went from you know, rags to riches academically.

554
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.920
I was not mature enough to make it through community college.

555
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:13.680
So I joined the army. That kind of got my

556
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:15.559
head on straight and I realized I could do some

557
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:17.359
things good in life, and that happened to be a

558
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.559
path that made sense for me. And then the more

559
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:21.279
they would pay, the more they were willing to pay

560
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.240
for my schooling, the more I just kept going. That's

561
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:24.559
how I ended up with a doctorate, and then we

562
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.920
sold the business. I'm like, well, what am I going

563
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.960
to do now? And I just went into teaching. So

564
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.839
that's one of the stories. Like you were like, I

565
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:33.480
can't believe that what happens? I guess I would tell

566
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.000
my twenty two year old self, or better yet, like

567
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.119
my eighteen seventeen, eighteen year old self. You know, you

568
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:39.839
need to get it together. But if you don't get

569
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:41.559
it together today hanging there, you're going to get it

570
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:42.400
together over time.

571
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.640
You just a rupted yourself to get it together. Yeah,

572
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.160
I did before you even knew like what that meant.

573
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.720
Yeah, I didn't have language for it, right. But it's

574
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:57.039
funny because I kind of left the few jobs that

575
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.039
I had over my career, I kind of left them

576
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.240
earlier than I needed to, which was good for me.

577
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.519
So I got out of the military after I finished

578
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:06.759
the company command job in the eighty second. And the

579
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:08.839
reason I did that was because everybody told me, oh,

580
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.240
after being a captain in the army, everything's more like

581
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.200
staff positions and stuff like that. In other words, these

582
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:14.599
are your best times. So I was like, well, why

583
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:15.880
am I going to stay around for the not so

584
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.839
best times? So I got out after that, and then

585
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.880
we sold the business. I wasn't planning to sell it,

586
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.599
but it came along. The opportunity showed up, and then

587
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.319
I wasn't going to necessarily leave the university because I

588
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.039
figured if I leave, there's gonna be ten thousand people

589
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.319
waiting for my job. But when the opportunity came and said, well,

590
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.640
you spend your twenties jumping around, jumping down the planes,

591
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.960
run around the army, you spend your thirties building a business,

592
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.960
spend your forties teaching somebody, let's let's spend your fifties

593
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:39.200
change in the world. So I'm like, all right, I'm

594
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:41.400
gonna quit the university and focus on that. So, yeah,

595
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.319
it's been a good ride.

596
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.240
Well you that's easier said than done for people, I

597
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.359
think to leave before it's time. So I'm wondering what

598
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.839
the first thing someone should do is when they realized

599
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.440
that the life they planned isn't aligned with the one

600
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.000
they're living.

601
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:58.599
Well, that's the first thing, is when they realize it.

602
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.200
And then the second thing I would be is to say, Okay,

603
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:02.880
what are you going to do with it? And it

604
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.559
doesn't mean you have to. My path is I quit

605
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.920
jobs probably when I was on the top and in

606
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:09.880
a good position, and that was just a choice I made.

607
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:11.920
So each one was kind of like a ten year stint,

608
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:13.920
so it wasn't like flip it, like you know, thirty

609
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.200
days or something, there's ten years, but each one of

610
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:17.720
them it made sense to kind of move on. I

611
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.559
felt like I gave to the organization what I could give,

612
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.319
and I'd gotten what I could have gotten, like that

613
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:24.119
relationship that had gotten really strong, and it was time

614
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.119
to move on to the next thing. And for me,

615
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.480
the chapter changes were really clear when it was time

616
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.440
to make those changes. So I would just say that

617
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:37.000
everybody's journey is different. So some people are more comfortable,

618
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.200
are more comfortable with ambiguity than others are. I'm pretty

619
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.880
comfortable with ambiguity. I just liked the idea of like

620
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.480
I'm going to put myself in the driver's seat and

621
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.559
try to figure this thing out. Other people might not

622
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.119
be the same way, or I've been fortunate over the years.

623
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.160
I didn't grow up with much means. I grew up

624
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.119
on the South side of Chicago, and my parents probably

625
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:58.839
sacrificed a lot just to let me go to community

626
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:00.799
college and that didn't go out turn out too well.

627
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.799
But nobody in my neighborhood had gone to college or

628
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.279
things like that just wasn't the past. Everybody had taken there,

629
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.880
so my point being is now, over the course of time,

630
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:10.839
I had some means it would allow me to do

631
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.799
certain things. So what I'm saying is like, as I

632
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.079
say this, like I'm not telling everybody go quit your

633
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.200
job or pivot if you're in the wrong direction, like

634
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:20.079
you know, throw it to the wind and see what happens,

635
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:23.200
because everybody's not in that spot to do that. But

636
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.319
what I am saying is that even when you feel

637
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.480
like you have a lot going on and there's no

638
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.640
space to do anything else, sometimes if you're clear about

639
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.319
why you're hearing what you're trying to do, suddenly a

640
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.279
little bit more energy will come out to do that

641
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.640
other thing. When I started the business above the garage

642
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.359
with my wife, we were technically moonlighting like I had

643
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:44.519
a job, and then i'd work on this project with her.

644
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.000
Now we call it these days, they would say a

645
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.319
side hustle. When I went from after we sold our business,

646
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.200
I started off by teaching part time at the university

647
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.279
and then get a full time job. When I joined

648
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.519
the military at seventeen, I joined the National Guard and

649
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.720
then joined full time army. So every one of them,

650
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.039
I kind of took a intermediate step to help me

651
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.359
get there. And I think there's a little bit of

652
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.680
saying like, Okay, you don't have to do it all,

653
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:07.880
but you do need to move in a direction. It

654
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.359
will make you feel more fulfilled and it actually will

655
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.799
make a better contribution in life, and you owe it

656
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.839
to yourself to do that. In our in our research

657
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:17.880
on it, we write in the book about these four

658
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.359
fundamental facts of disruption, and the fourth one is that

659
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.319
your time here is finite. Make it count in ways

660
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.920
that matter. And it's true, your time, your time on

661
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.400
this listening to this conversation is finite. Now listen intently,

662
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.160
pay attention. Maybe something good there for you. Your time

663
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.240
with your family and it's current configuration. I know that

664
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.359
you know you have a family tie and you're watching

665
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:40.640
I'm watching your kids grow up and there's a lot

666
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.319
going on. But that's going to change. I have two

667
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.119
adult children now, but I have grandchildren right, so that changes.

668
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:46.839
So we need to make it count in every phase

669
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.240
of life, your time and your organization or whatever you're building.

670
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.920
You know, this current version of this podcast is what

671
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.839
it is right now. It'll be something else in the

672
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.400
future as it evolves and changes. So let's make it

673
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.799
count and I just really feel we owe it to

674
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:01.880
our selves and those around us on the journey with

675
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.480
us to make it count in ways that matter. James

676
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.680
Patterson said, you know, James Patterson had no reason to

677
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.240
write this book with me. He is literally if you

678
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.039
don't know him, folks, I don't know where you've been.

679
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.440
But he's the world's best selling author. He sold four

680
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:15.960
hundred and seventy five million book copies. I mean that's

681
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.839
a massive number. Right, There's only two there's only two

682
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.680
people on planet Earth who are billionaires from writing books, JK.

683
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.519
Rowing and James Patterson, which is phenomenal. And why would

684
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:27.799
he take the time to write this book that's in

685
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:30.680
a genre he hasn't written it before. And he says

686
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.920
it this way, he said, And he heard the expression

687
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.759
one time that said, my time here is finite. What

688
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.359
can I do most beautifully? And he felt like this

689
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:42.200
particular book giving some people an understanding of the opportunity

690
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:43.839
that lies out there and a chance for them to

691
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.160
live their good lives is worth the effort.

692
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.160
I think people underestimate themselves. And I'm wondering, Yeah, what

693
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.400
what do people underestimate most when times are uncertain?

694
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.000
Well, I think it depends which emotions surfacing for them.

695
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.039
And I'm not this isn't necessarily my area of expertise

696
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.160
to think like what they've concerned most, But my thoughts

697
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.279
might be some people are thinking fear and anxiety. Some

698
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.200
people are fear, you know, don't want to let go

699
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.279
of something. There's lots of things that process. So I

700
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.960
would say that one thing we underestimate is the importance

701
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.359
of those there's emotions and allowing ourselves enough time to

702
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.240
process them doesn't mean we freeze and stay there forever.

703
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.480
But if I tell you the first step that we

704
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.720
found people do in the face of disruption is to

705
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.079
discern what to do, that means that they spend a

706
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.960
little bit of time processing through the emotions. So give

707
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.000
yourself some space to think about it. If I told

708
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.440
you about some new project opportunity, some of you might

709
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:44.839
be excited, but a little fearful. Some of you might

710
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.440
be scared but a little bit excited. Some of you

711
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.279
might be anxious. I mean, there's right, all different ways

712
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.240
we show up to this thing. So give yourself some

713
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.720
space to do it and kind of think it through

714
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.119
and give yourself a little bit of grace to work

715
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.480
that out. And I think the other thing that we

716
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.440
don't necessarily do very well for ourselves is being a

717
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.039
leader and leading ourselves or leading anyone else. It all

718
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.240
begins with self awareness and such a critical thing, and

719
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.319
which means that we need to know ourselves. We need

720
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:14.039
to see ourselves for who we really are, which for

721
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.400
some of us don't. I probably don't. Either have to

722
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.079
work on it too, have good clarity on that, Like

723
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.400
have people in our lives who speak the truth to us,

724
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.119
people who challenge us, people who encourage us. We need

725
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.839
all those voices in our lives. At the same time,

726
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.160
we need to own what it is we're good at.

727
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.240
And I'm the youngest of five kids from a Catholic house.

728
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.799
I mean, I got more guilt than you can imagine sometimes,

729
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:40.400
and I don't always own, you know, what my strengths are.

730
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.880
Sometimes I've had to learn to grow into them a

731
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:44.720
little bit. So I think that part of it is

732
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.119
like let yourself process the emotion. It's okay to work

733
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.640
your way through that, and also to own what you're

734
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.000
good at, as opposed to kind of if somebody says

735
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:54.440
you did something really really well and it makes you

736
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.519
feeluncomfortable to say thank you and move on as a

737
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.880
post and say, well, no, here's why I got so lucky. No, no,

738
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:01.839
you didn't get lucky. I mean there may have been

739
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.440
a little luck, but you also were ready when it

740
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:04.920
showed up.

741
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.799
Got blessed is what you got. Yeah, talk to me

742
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.079
about something you do to ground yourself. How do you

743
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.160
stay you know, self awareness has a lot to do

744
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.279
with self love and being conscious of what's going on

745
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.519
in your own head and honestly in your own heart.

746
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:23.920
What do you do to stay grounded in the present?

747
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.880
You know? Since COVID, my wife and I started walking

748
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:33.200
in the mornings and we walk a lot every morning,

749
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.039
Like some morning we walked three miles or something. So

750
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:36.440
if you're able to do that and you have somebody

751
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:37.599
to do it with or even on your own. When

752
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.039
I'm traveling, I'll do it myself, going out walking, getting outside,

753
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.160
spending some time with her. It's not a competitive thing.

754
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.960
It's just for hanging out. Walking with the dogs is great.

755
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.200
I am a big outdoorsy type of person. I like

756
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.880
doing things outdoors. I've hiked Mount Kilimanjar with my son

757
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.119
and walked on glaciers in places and just done lots

758
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.720
of cool things. So for me, getting out being physically

759
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.119
active is really important. That's not everybody's thing, which is fine,

760
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.759
just find your thing. I also like to read, so

761
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.880
I actually like the most. My two hobbies are like

762
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.039
the most generic thing somebody would say resume or on LinkedIn.

763
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.440
I like reading and hiking. I mean, that's what I do,

764
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.559
like those two things. So for me, it's a couple

765
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.159
of those type of things kind of keep you grounded.

766
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.679
And it's so easy to spend a lot of time

767
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.800
on social media and guess what, those aren't real worlds.

768
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.320
That's just not real. What's going on out there and

769
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.760
stuff you're comparing yourself to out there isn't really either.

770
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.159
I spend plenty of time on it, two more than

771
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.599
I should. But but you know, doing stuff that's real

772
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.880
is just very different. I remember I remember thinking about

773
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.840
this when when I did jump out airplanes in the Army.

774
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.280
We would jump out at eight hundred feet and eight

775
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.639
hundred feet is not really that high. It might sound

776
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.639
high like eight our feet, but so we jump static

777
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.280
line high where you you're already attached to the airplane.

778
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.400
So as you jump out, the the parachute gets extracted

779
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.159
from the pack on your back. It's being pulled out

780
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.079
by itself because there's a landyard back to the plane,

781
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.880
and it called static line. And the thing is you

782
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.960
jump at eight hundred feet and when you jump out

783
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:04.559
of the plane, it should take four seconds for the

784
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.760
parachute to open, and if it doesn't open in four seconds,

785
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.079
you've got about three seconds to recover and get your

786
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.719
spare pulled out before the parish before you hit the ground.

787
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.400
And I think there's a there's this thing that happens,

788
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.239
like when you're up at the altitude of eight hundred

789
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.760
feet and you're standing in the doorway and to go,

790
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:23.280
everything looks so peaceful and serene. And then even if

791
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.199
you have a nice full parachute, you're still coming down

792
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.320
pretty quickly. But not like the sport ones. We can

793
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.239
hit pretty hard, like you don't stand when you land.

794
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.599
You crash into the ground pretty good. It's interesting how

795
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.440
things look differently when the ground rushes up. So to me,

796
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.400
going outside and getting my hands in the real world

797
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.159
is different than social media. Sometimes is like looking at

798
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.960
the world from eight hundred feet and going outside is

799
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:45.599
a little bit like getting closer to the ground where

800
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.519
stuff gets real. And I just like to kind of

801
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:49.480
keep that in perspective.

802
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.639
Well, it's it's unreal to some people to be jumping

803
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.039
out of planes, but yeah.

804
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.239
That's that's that's there. You know, everybody's got their thing.

805
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:58.800
Mine just happened to be that. It could have been

806
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.320
something else. But maybe if i'd really well in community college,

807
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:02.159
I never would have done that.

808
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.320
Well, I've done roller coasters enough to know that eight

809
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.599
hundred feet is actually not very high because you've got

810
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.079
to go from that peaceful, serene moment before you jump

811
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.239
out of the plane to being very aware of your

812
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.079
surroundings very quickly if you survive the fall. So that's

813
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.480
that's a really cool thing too. Picture your eightieth birthday

814
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.360
for me? Would you Patrick like think about I often

815
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.519
think about our friend and comrade Dave Hollis, who passed

816
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.079
away a couple of years ago. He had this idea

817
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.039
in his head about legacy and what he wanted his

818
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.079
eightieth birthday to look like. So I have been thinking

819
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.599
about this question, and it's the people that are there.

820
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:42.480
But what do you want them to say about you?

821
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.239
Well, I hope that they would say that I'm a

822
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.599
genuine guy who has all sorts of you know he's

823
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.360
done some good stuff and mess some stuff up and

824
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:54.960
learned a lot of lessons along the way. But my

825
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.719
intent was good, and if I made it wrong, I

826
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:00.440
try to turn it into it right. I was a

827
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.760
good friend you could trust and would be there for you,

828
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.440
a good partner in business. There was this guy when

829
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.840
my mom passed away about fourteen years ago. Now this

830
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.199
was before we sold our business, right right around the

831
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.559
time we sold our business fourteen fifteen years ago, and

832
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.519
it just so happened my my mom passed away. They

833
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.360
lived in Chicago, and we went to the funeral and

834
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.920
all those oddities. You know, this, that uncomfortable feeling when

835
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:25.400
you lose somebody in your life and you go through

836
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.480
the visitations and the funerals, whatever your religious beliefs or

837
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:33.159
ceremonies might be. Ours was visitation and then the funeral.

838
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.199
I came out of the funeral of the yeah, at

839
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.119
the funeral at the church, and I stepped outside. I

840
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.880
was standing on a stoop, probably about five steps up

841
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:43.639
from the ground, and out in front of me people

842
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:44.760
had come out of the church and they were poured

843
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.280
out and just kind of standing around, million around saying

844
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.239
hi to each other and I looked out there and

845
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.239
one of my employees from the company I had just

846
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.280
sold had traveled out on his own dime from Washington,

847
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.280
d C. To be at my mom's funeral. No big

848
00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.199
announcement that he was coming, none of that type ofsode.

849
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.320
I just looked out and saw I'm standing there, and

850
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.480
I just kind of like, go, I hope there's a

851
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.519
lot more people that would do They would do that

852
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:05.840
for me. Doesn't mean they have to travel to my

853
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.679
eightieth birthday party. It just means like that they would

854
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.719
value something about me enough that they'd be willing to

855
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.880
make that journey, and hopefully they would do it because

856
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.480
they felt like I would do the same for them.

857
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:16.960
So I just want to be that kind of guy

858
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.559
that's like real and tries to do good things and

859
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.079
has occasionally some smart stuff to say that helps people

860
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:22.679
in their journey.

861
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.000
Now, that reminds me of a story from the Struggle,

862
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.800
The Struggle Let's see, hold on, let's find the book

863
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:33.800
The Gift of Struggle with Bobby Herrera. I'm fortunate and

864
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.199
blessed to have a signed copy. And in his first

865
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.400
chapter is a story about mister Tigue and he's the

866
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.159
fellow that got back on the bus for Bobby. Bobby

867
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.599
and his brother grew up in a household. They had

868
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.239
limited resources, and their mom had packed them a bag

869
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.960
lunch after their game, and the whole team got off

870
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.159
the bus to go get their celebratory dinner, and mister

871
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:58.360
Tigue came back and said, you know, guys, it would

872
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.960
make me so happy to to give you dinner tonight.

873
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.239
Come come join us. And that story, that moment honestly

874
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.239
changed everything about Bobby's life. I'm wondering if there's anybody

875
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:13.840
like that that got back on the bus for you.

876
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.159
Yeah, there's lots of people that have done that. I

877
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.320
kind of occasionally, you know, spend some time reflecting at him.

878
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.840
One's kind of interesting to me is when I was

879
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.079
in the military, they have this thing tie that happens

880
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.159
like when you're so. I was initially enlisted in the military,

881
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.800
then I became an officer, and as an officer, as

882
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.760
a second lieutenant, you tend to be a platoon leader

883
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.280
in the infantry, and then as a first lieutenant you

884
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.360
become a company executive officer, and then as a captain

885
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.079
you become a company commander. That's just kind of the

886
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.119
natural progression, and usually between the first lieutenant and the

887
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.400
captain time frame, you go to another school, so you

888
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.039
go to another training and then they send you a

889
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.000
different unit. In my case, that's not what happened. I

890
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.800
finished being a company executive officer as a first lieutenant.

891
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.519
I was getting promoted to captain. And my battalion commander

892
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.079
at the time, who had been a lieutenant colonel. You

893
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.000
don't need to know the rank structure, just a couple

894
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.199
more ranks above me, went out of his way to

895
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.000
walk across the street to another unit and tell them,

896
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.400
this guy doesn't need to go to advanced training right now,

897
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:09.280
make them one of your company commanders, which is like

898
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.599
a huge you know, a big deal. It was Lloyd

899
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.159
Austin who became the Secretary of Defense. Is who that

900
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.719
person was at the time, was Lieutenant Colonel Lloyd Austin.

901
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:19.639
So I've had a few people like that that have

902
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:21.719
been so kind to like, go, you know what, this

903
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:23.840
guy's ready for this or that. Even if I didn't

904
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.559
feel like I was ready to do it. I didn't

905
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:27.800
solicit it, I didn't look for it. I probably didn't

906
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:29.840
feel like I was ready, but he, you know, as

907
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.480
you said, got back on the bus, walked across the

908
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.800
street from me and did that. And and I'm pretty

909
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.039
involved in a I mentioned that that drum and bughort

910
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.280
thing at the beginning and that instructor don I have

911
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.360
some friends who they do a fundraiser every year and

912
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.960
I'm on the board of their group. But every year

913
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.280
we go to the Big Drum Corps competition in Annapolis.

914
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:51.360
It's everything you can imagine it would be folks, and

915
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.199
we go to this thing and we do a big

916
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.480
fundraiser and we sponsor kids to March the next year.

917
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.039
And I just think that's like, to me, that's my

918
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.360
getting back on the bus moment for other people, and

919
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:01.840
I think it's important for us to do that type

920
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.239
of thing, to kind of carry it forward a little bit.

921
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.679
But as far as my eightieth birthday party, and I

922
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.719
hope people come like they did to my mom's funeral

923
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.679
and they just they just celebrate, celebrate my life and

924
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.400
also just love on each other while they're there.

925
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.679
That's beautiful. Will you I want to know more about

926
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:20.480
this drumming the drum and bugle.

927
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.000
I was a bugling side, so I played I played

928
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:23.440
the trumpet.

929
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:24.639
Yeah, that's awesome.

930
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:24.840
Mike.

931
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.559
My son Carter plays the trumpet, my my son Connor

932
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.559
plays the trombone, And I'll tell you it takes it.

933
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.599
Did other kids in your host in your household play

934
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:35.480
instruments too?

935
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.880
Nope, So it's you making all the noises. Me. I'm

936
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.159
only the military too. I'm I carved my own path. Yeah.

937
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.639
So imagine like marching band and the you know in

938
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:48.000
the United States marching band like football games and stuff

939
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.480
like that. Imagine that, but it's only marching band. You

940
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.960
do one performance, you perfect it all year long and

941
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.119
travel in the summer months to compete, and it's like

942
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.559
very very I mean high level of proficiency. But these

943
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.159
kids put into it, it's crazy. I mean they pay

944
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.239
to be there, they don't get paid. And it's in

945
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.159
there between thirteen and twenty one years old, age out

946
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.239
at twenty one. So it's a really kind of a

947
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.119
it's the thing, you know, anything else you get into it.

948
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.280
It's an entire world on into itself and it's just

949
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:13.360
one of those type of things.

950
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.239
Well, music is one of my love languages, So I

951
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.719
want to talk more about music if you don't mind,

952
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.480
Do you have a song that you put on when

953
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.760
things are hard and you need to remind yourself who

954
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:26.119
you are.

955
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.239
Well, I don't know if i'd have a song. I

956
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:33.280
do have songs for kind of genres, for different moods

957
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.599
and stuff. I mean there's some things that you know.

958
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:38.440
Pop is kind of fun and it kind of keeps

959
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.000
you gives yep bet For me, when I listen like

960
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:42.920
a pop song, I tend to listen to either songs.

961
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:44.480
So I would have listened to when I was a kid,

962
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.760
which I was not not this old. I wasn't like

963
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.679
a Beatles kid growing up. In fact, I was the

964
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.800
kid who was like mad that I wasn't born earlier,

965
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.440
so I would have been around and the Beatles were there,

966
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.199
so I wasn't there, but I like the Beatles there,

967
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:57.239
so you know, like in the seventies and eighties, I

968
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.760
would listen to them. And then my kids obviously some

969
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.320
of the pop songs that they listen to kind of

970
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:03.880
still stick in my head because it takes me back

971
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.840
to those moments doing silly stuff in the car or

972
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:08.880
whatever it might be. But I like I like classic

973
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.360
classical music a lot. My wife's on the opera board

974
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:12.920
here in Nashville, Tennessee, so we tend to go to

975
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.760
a lot of opera together. I have some friends who

976
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.840
who are do some really great Christian music. I'm good

977
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.079
friends with some folks. You know. I live in Nashville.

978
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.159
Some music kind of all around me. I want to

979
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.599
get charged up. I'll like listen like Holds the Planets

980
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.920
or something that is really like driving and exciting. So yeah,

981
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.639
I've just different music for different times and a lot.

982
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:37.360
What I like about music is just the nostalgia of

983
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.280
it that it brings me back to a different time,

984
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.000
or it can forge new memories going forward to Like,

985
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.639
you have two grandkids, so now I'm learning new kids

986
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.079
songs that I didn't even know existed the last twenty years.

987
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:48.400
How old are your grandkids?

988
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.159
There'll be three in one next month.

989
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:52.800
Are they so fun? Do you love that?

990
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.320
Oh? Yeah, yeah yeah, two little girls and they live

991
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:57.960
like two miles from me, So that's pretty cool.

992
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.559
I love that you get to be very isn't with them?

993
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.679
Then? Yeah? The older one, the three year old, says

994
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:05.719
that I'm her best friend. And she's been saying that

995
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.719
for about nine months. And my daughter was like, how

996
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:09.320
did you teach her that? I'm like, I didn't teach

997
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.760
you that. She just says Papa best friend Patrick.

998
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:14.599
That's adorable in that sweet yeah.

999
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.480
Yeah, my gosh, ask me what I want for my

1000
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.639
eightieth birthday party. I already got it. I'm only fifty seven.

1001
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:19.679
I know her best friend.

1002
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.440
That's amazing. Oh my gosh. So speaking of the eightieth

1003
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.599
birthday party, this is kind of applicable there too. But

1004
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:33.440
if you had a microphone then now in the past

1005
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:35.960
doesn't matter, pick your time. But if you had a

1006
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.679
microphone for the world to hear one thing, one message

1007
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.079
from Patrick, what would it be.

1008
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.000
I think I'd probably lean into the stuff I've been

1009
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.920
doing recently around Everyone is disrupted in life, we all are,

1010
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.719
but some of us choose to be positive disruptors who

1011
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:56.599
used that disruption for progress and innovation and growth. And

1012
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:58.559
I think I would tell people that you've got that

1013
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:02.000
person within you too. The world needs you, so go

1014
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:03.119
disrupt for good.

1015
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.639
Now. I have a couple of quick hitting kind of questions.

1016
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:12.360
If that's okay, sure, what is something about this season

1017
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.320
of your life that you don't want to forget?

1018
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.599
Well? I would probably go back to my grandchildren and

1019
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.960
things like that. On the personal perspective, personal basis, a

1020
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.480
three year old, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't want

1021
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.920
to forget that. From a work perspective, I think that.

1022
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.039
So when we were going through the process of writing

1023
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:33.920
the book, one thing we decided to do. We had

1024
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:35.639
a research team at Vanderbilt for two and a half

1025
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.760
years studying this. We're interviewing people and Jim challenged me.

1026
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.679
Patterson challenged me to go out and just speak about

1027
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.000
the book even when we're just trying to put it together.

1028
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.000
Early on, like, really it took us. It was a

1029
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.519
nine to ten month long just outline process, right, Just

1030
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.000
get the outline right, and then a couple of years

1031
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:53.360
of research beyond that. And the whole time we were

1032
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:54.800
doing that, Jim would say, just go out and talk

1033
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.239
to people about it and see what resonates, what language

1034
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:01.400
stands out. And I was doing I was doing some presentations.

1035
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.199
In fact, the first group I spoke to was eight

1036
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.960
hundred people talking about this project that was just getting started,

1037
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.039
which is kind of like, what were you thinking? But

1038
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.360
I happened to tell that day about a disruption in

1039
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:12.719
my life where I said, I'll make it really quickly.

1040
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.519
But I was I was looking at my different roles

1041
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.239
in life. Somebody asked me to think about my roles

1042
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.960
in life and pick a few of them and kind

1043
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.760
of assess what you're doing. So I thought about, you know,

1044
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.239
father and project manager or team leader at work, you know,

1045
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.199
owner of the business, all that type of stuff. And I

1046
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.760
also thought about son, son, and I thought, you know,

1047
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:30.800
I'm not doing a terrible job at the SUN, but

1048
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.320
I'm not doing a great job as a SUN. I'm

1049
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:35.079
kind of in the middle. I'd like to do that,

1050
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.239
do a better job. So I at the time, I

1051
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.159
was living in Louisville, Kentucky, and my parents lived in

1052
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.760
Chicago still, and our ritual was really a ritual. I

1053
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.880
would call them once a week, kind of obligation, you know,

1054
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.559
call them once a week just to check in. And

1055
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.800
every conversation was basically the same, what's the weather, what's

1056
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:52.599
the traffic, what do you doing this week? And they

1057
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.199
do the same thing on their end. Then we'd hang up.

1058
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.079
And as I was looking at my role of son,

1059
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:58.599
I thought I could do a better job than that,

1060
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.239
So I start writing down questions to ask them before

1061
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.400
the call. Or I'd travel for work and i'd send

1062
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:05.599
them a postcard as I was traveling. Just little things

1063
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.559
like that, no big things, just little things like that,

1064
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.159
and so I'm telling this story to the audience and

1065
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.840
I said, well, right around that same time when my

1066
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.880
mom passed away. I remember sitting at my dad's house

1067
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.400
later that day and I said to my wife, I said,

1068
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.400
I'm glad I did that. I'm glad I disrupted the relationship.

1069
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.039
I didn't even say the word disrupted, but I kind

1070
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.960
of changed the relationship. And my wife said to me, well,

1071
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.079
you're still a son. You know. There's your dad, and

1072
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.519
people listen to us might get it. But my mom

1073
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:32.199
and dad were very different than that. My mom was

1074
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:34.000
the yes person and my dad was a no person,

1075
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.039
like Mom, can we go there, yes, can we get this? Yes?

1076
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.519
My dad no, no, no, just that kind of personality.

1077
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:41.480
So I was thinking, there's no way this guy's going

1078
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:43.280
to say he wants to do anything with me right now.

1079
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:45.360
So I walk over there and I said my dad.

1080
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:46.880
I said, hey, Dad, I travel a lot for work.

1081
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.559
You want to come with me sometime? And he said

1082
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.119
where are you going? And I said, next week, I'm

1083
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.840
going to Tapeka, Kansas. And my dad goes to Topeka,

1084
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:56.800
Kansas with me, and then he goes to Florida with

1085
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.360
me and he goes on these trips with me, and

1086
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.599
I started to like see him differently. Right, He's not

1087
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:02.400
the no guy necessarily. He's a guy who at the

1088
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.000
time had five children, like three jobs, trying to make

1089
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.639
the housework and h and we just started seeing each

1090
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.360
other differently. So I think that's I tell that story

1091
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.480
to people and when I know, I told it one

1092
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:14.480
time to somebody and it just kind of kept resonating.

1093
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:18.119
I kept telling you and sharing that story, and then

1094
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:19.920
we ended up putting that one for together your story

1095
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.880
in the book. And I think that it's really important,

1096
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.639
like to realize like that you might disrupt yourself first,

1097
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.599
but then you're going to disrupt some important relationships in life.

1098
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.159
And that was really one thing that stood out as

1099
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:31.559
we were writing the book and working on it.

1100
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.559
Wow, I am touched by that story. I think that

1101
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:38.920
that's really neat that you got to travel then with

1102
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.880
your dad and learn about him. I mean, yeah, that's

1103
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.280
like a like a dream. Honestly, Yeah, it is.

1104
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:44.920
It is wild.

1105
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:48.000
What's the most interesting thing you learned from him when

1106
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:49.239
when you got to know him better?

1107
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.880
I was it was interesting to learn and still is today.

1108
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.440
He's ninety four now he likes to talk about his work,

1109
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:01.400
like what he did is and then we never really

1110
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.239
heard him talk about heard him talk about work. When

1111
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.280
I was growing up. He worked for the phone company

1112
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:09.519
in Illinois. He installed phones like underground and in people's

1113
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.840
homes and that for thirty six years, thirty eight years.

1114
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:13.559
I never really talked that much about it. But then

1115
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.719
when he started hearing me talk about work and leadership,

1116
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:18.760
he would tell me about his time and what he

1117
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.079
had learned along the way, and that was really endear.

1118
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:22.840
I really find it endearing. I love when he tells

1119
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.400
me some of those stories because I never heard them before.

1120
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.559
And the reality is was he had a yearning to

1121
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.679
tell the story. I just had n't put myself in

1122
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.119
the position to be the ears for it. So when

1123
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:35.639
I was all of a sudden in a different spot,

1124
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:37.239
he would just talk about it. It was kind of

1125
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.400
fun to hear him talk about things like that. And so, yeah,

1126
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:41.360
that would be one thing.

1127
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:46.480
That's something we can all learn from, Patrick, because everybody

1128
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:50.960
has a story to share and can't I mean scientifically speaking,

1129
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.519
probably they really want to share it, they might just

1130
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.440
not have the right vocabulary or the right circumstances, or

1131
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.000
even they just need somebody to They just need to

1132
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.599
know that somebody cares enough to listen.

1133
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.599
It's okay too, and it's okay to the story.

1134
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.159
Right, please tell the story. I mean, like take away

1135
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:11.559
moment right there is just ask the question, disrupt the

1136
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.719
situation enough to ask the question, and then just listen. Yeah,

1137
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.280
like you just it's amazing to me. How how valuable

1138
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:21.280
that I mean, honestly, that was a great story, but

1139
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:26.360
how valuable that is because your dad had you disrupted

1140
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:30.079
the relationship for good and you took the things from it,

1141
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.800
but you also disrupted your dad for Like I'm certain

1142
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.000
that you changed your dad's perspective a little bit. And

1143
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.360
that's that's a really cool full circle moment as just

1144
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:40.960
as a human.

1145
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.639
Yeah, I agree that the book itself disrupt everything. And

1146
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.639
when is it. There were three hundred and fifty people

1147
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.280
we interviewed in the research. About thirty two of the

1148
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.880
stories made it into the book. So every chapter starts

1149
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.599
with the story. You know, it's a James Patterson book.

1150
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:58.800
He's known for writing thrillers and fast page turning things,

1151
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.639
so every story along pretty quickly. Hopefully we leave you

1152
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.440
wanting to know more about that person. Go find out

1153
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.079
yourself some more about that person. Some people are household names,

1154
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.719
like actors or professional athletes. A lot of them are

1155
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.039
unsung heroes. You've never heard of these people, but you should.

1156
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.760
And what we're trying to do is use their story

1157
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.920
ultimately to help you write your story. When Patterson talked

1158
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:20.559
to my students, he would start off with the question

1159
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.960
every time, are you living a good life? And he'd say,

1160
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.199
I know that sounds like a simple question, but the

1161
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:29.519
answer is not simplistic. Everybody defines that for themselves. And

1162
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.599
then he said, or do you feel like you're on

1163
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:34.199
one treadmill only to get on another treadmill, only to

1164
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:36.920
get on another treadmill? And then he shared, He goes,

1165
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.719
I'm living a good life, and let me tell you

1166
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.199
how I did it, and it's his life is a

1167
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:43.920
good life. It's got its ups and its downs. He

1168
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.119
was engaged with someone in his thirties who ended up

1169
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.000
having brain cancer and she passed away. You wouldn't wish

1170
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.840
to that on anyone, but he figured out how do

1171
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.679
continue on. We're really good at human beings. Right now

1172
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.159
in Nashville, where I live, we had a bad eye

1173
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.079
storm and there's trees knocked out everywhere. It's just kind

1174
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.519
of funny. But like ants, we just dragged the trees

1175
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.000
out to the curb, somebody comes along to pick them up.

1176
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.440
We start rebuilding and we keep going along. Just like

1177
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.880
if you step on an ant hill, they immediately start rebuilding.

1178
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:15.440
And we have this amazing capacity to work through tough things.

1179
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.960
And that's what he wanted to learn. This we want

1180
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:19.599
people learn and they read it. You know, the book

1181
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.800
is not called change Everything. Isn't called change everything, because

1182
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.599
sometimes the most disruptive thing you can do is say

1183
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.079
no to change. And that's what we want people to

1184
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.119
realize is just just own that choice.

1185
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.199
Amidst all the disruptions that you've repurposed into something good.

1186
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.519
What part of yourself are you most grateful that you

1187
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:38.440
never let go of.

1188
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.320
My humor? I don't know if it's shown up on

1189
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.159
this call today, but I think I have a pretty

1190
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:47.719
good sense of humor. As the youngest of five kids.

1191
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.800
It was it was a everybody's really witty and fast

1192
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.559
with the jokes at the dinner table, and that it

1193
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.480
was almost like a survival skill to be good at

1194
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.440
it and like form alliances and moments like whatever it

1195
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:05.039
might be all pretty lighthearted, and I just feel like

1196
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.800
I keep my humor with me and when I'm out

1197
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.480
talking to audiences, because I get to do that a

1198
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:13.239
lot these days. I think we do a lot of

1199
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:14.599
laughing and that's important.

1200
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.119
It is, it's very good for you.

1201
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:19.159
So I don't want to lose that.

1202
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.039
That's awesome. I don't think you will. And I can

1203
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.480
vouch Patrick is funny. If anybody doesn't think he's funny,

1204
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:26.039
he's funny.

1205
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.119
I'm funny, I'm hilarious.

1206
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:32.280
He's a riot. Quick before you forget Patrick, what matters

1207
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.440
to you most right now?

1208
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.239
Well, my faith probably matters most to me. I should Yeah,

1209
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:42.559
definitely matters most to me. My relationship with my wife

1210
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.320
is in such a good place these days that we're

1211
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.400
you know, we're we've been based each other's best friends

1212
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:51.000
like teenage yeers. But yeah, it's we're in such a

1213
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.320
grounded place, and I just that she matters more to

1214
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.199
me than anybody else on planet Earth. For sure.

1215
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.519
There's been so many good takeaways that I can't even

1216
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.119
kind of summarize them. But I'm hearing a lot of

1217
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:08.000
things about knowing to just keep moving, keep showing up,

1218
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.519
keep going when things feel hard and there's something good

1219
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:13.079
that will come from it. You don't. You don't have

1220
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:17.440
to overhaul everything. You can just overhaul one thing. So

1221
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.840
before before I wrap, Patrick, I want to ask you,

1222
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.639
what what is one thing that you wish I had

1223
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.159
asked that I didn't.

1224
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.519
You did a really good job. So I don't know

1225
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.400
if there's any one thing I'm thinking about that that

1226
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:34.920
I wish you'd asked. I think that I don't know

1227
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.000
if you would have asked this necessarily. But one thing

1228
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.880
that comes out sometimes is we hear so much about

1229
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.519
resilience and being resilient and building resilience, and I'm here

1230
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.400
to share that resilience doesn't happen in a one hour workshop.

1231
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:48.760
You don't put people in a room and say come

1232
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.760
out being more resilient. You got it. Resilience happens when

1233
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.400
people do what we talk about from those we studied.

1234
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.559
When you hit a moment of disruption and you discern

1235
00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.800
what to do, and you make a choice, and you

1236
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.360
into your strengths and start to make them take some action,

1237
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:05.880
and you deliver results good or bad, and then you

1238
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.840
learn from those results and you go through that three year,

1239
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.320
four or five times with different disruptions in your life,

1240
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:13.559
and all of a sudden, something that two years ago

1241
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:15.920
or a year ago had knocked you down, now you're like,

1242
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.519
I get step right over that. And that's how resilience

1243
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.519
is built. And what I saw with the people we studied.

1244
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.840
There's a lady, for example, who she's from Copenhagen, Denmark.

1245
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.920
She's a server at a cafe, travels to India with

1246
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.400
some friends and see some street children, children living on

1247
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.599
the street, and it really touches her. Today there's sixteen

1248
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.119
hundred kids who live in the orphanages that she runs.

1249
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:39.800
She didn't go from meeting two kids on the street

1250
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.519
to sixteen hundred children. She went from meeting two kids

1251
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:44.159
on the street to going back to Denmark saying what

1252
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:45.800
am I going to do with this and telling everybody

1253
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:48.719
about it, some people of which said, okay, that'll go away. Stop,

1254
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.320
you know, worry about what's going on here, not about

1255
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.880
what's going around thousands of miles away. And then she decided, well,

1256
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.440
I'm going to make another trip, and then another trip

1257
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:59.599
and another trip, and what the seeing them on the street,

1258
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:04.280
which was massively disruptive twelve years earlier, is now just

1259
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:06.599
she's used to that that's common, she can move beyond

1260
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.239
that and kept getting better and bringing other people into

1261
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.119
the conversation with her. That's how we build resilience as

1262
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.239
we just keep keep on keeping on, and we also

1263
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:18.000
realize sometimes when this path is not the right path,

1264
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.239
we get off the path and it's really hard. There's

1265
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.760
a one of things that we found as a disruptive

1266
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.280
behavior that people have is some people are really good

1267
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:29.280
at letting go of good in order to get something great,

1268
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.840
and some of us just aren't. I guarantee you there's

1269
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.840
somebody listening to this podcast who's in a relationship that's

1270
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.599
not even good and you're still hanging on to it.

1271
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.239
So sometimes you have to say, you know what, I'm

1272
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.840
gonna let go of that and get something better, or

1273
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:45.760
at least be willing to risk it a little bit

1274
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:49.199
by putting some boundaries in place, or by re examining

1275
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.000
that relationship and saying, you know what, we should disrupt

1276
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.320
this a little bit for good, as opposed to as

1277
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.239
why would we hold onto something that's not great if

1278
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.880
we can get something better for ourselves than others.

1279
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.119
To me, because you mentioned building resilience over time and

1280
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.320
through practice, I was going to ask this, and I'd

1281
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.800
take it for take it wherever you'd like. But yeah,

1282
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:14.480
do you think resilience is built through crisis or revealed

1283
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:15.599
through crisis?

1284
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.280
Yeah, that's a good question. It might be. I don't

1285
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.280
know necessarily the answer. I guess you said, but I

1286
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.239
think you're probably right with the word revealed. It's probably

1287
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:28.599
revealed and reinforced so that it feels like it's building

1288
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:32.320
on itself in a way, like we just become more capable,

1289
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.800
not more capable, We reveal more of our capability to

1290
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:38.880
do X y Z. When you look at some people

1291
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.079
throughout human history have had to deal with, or even

1292
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.159
people listening to this conversation, some of you what you

1293
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.280
have to deal with. If I had to face what

1294
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.519
you faced, it would just might bury me. But you

1295
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:51.559
figured out how to deal with it. And we talk

1296
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.039
about in the book the idea that we're wired to disrupt,

1297
00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:59.199
which is an interesting idea I think because the neuroscientists

1298
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.639
would tell you that we like things consistently. Our brain

1299
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.719
likes to conserve energy, and it does. But at the

1300
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:06.840
same time, our brains can be really creative and we

1301
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.119
could do things that no other animal and animal kingdom

1302
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.920
can do. So we say you're wired to disrupt because

1303
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.320
you've got a big brain that can come up with

1304
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.199
really ingenious ways of dealing with things. You're also wired

1305
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.559
to disrupt because you have experiences where you've gotten knocked

1306
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.679
down and gotten back up and you've learned from those experiences.

1307
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.840
And if you were to chart out your life, make

1308
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:27.639
a line for your life with the ups and downs

1309
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:29.880
of life over the course of time, we've all had

1310
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:33.480
downtimes and we've all had uptimes, and they're be very relative.

1311
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:35.480
Like what I consider downtime. Somebody else might be like,

1312
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.480
that's no big deal. Somebody else might be like that's horrific.

1313
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.320
Whatever it might be, it doesn't matter. It's my story.

1314
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:41.400
But I've got my ups and my downs in life.

1315
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.000
And when you really think about your ups and downs

1316
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:46.000
in the life, sometimes with low points of the down,

1317
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.519
you don't realize that there's a high point coming not

1318
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.679
that far away, and the ability to survive the low points,

1319
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:54.599
learn from them, and move forward to the next high point.

1320
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:59.119
That's that idea of just revealing using your words, our

1321
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.360
ability to accomplis things over time and be more resilient.

1322
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:07.039
You don't need the staircase. You just need the next step.

1323
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:11.480
Yeah, yeah, so yeah. As people read the book, Pat

1324
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:13.159
and petish is funny. He says. If they read the

1325
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:14.599
book and they don't like this story about this person,

1326
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.880
skip it. Who cares it didn't speak to them, keep moving.

1327
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:18.800
If you got this chapter and you're like, I got

1328
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:20.719
this pretty good, then skip it. You don't read every word,

1329
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:22.920
just read the ones that work for you. We want

1330
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.400
our book to help you. Well.

1331
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.679
I think the question that I'd be curious to ask

1332
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:32.360
anybody listening to think about after this conversation, it's where

1333
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:36.880
in my life am I resisting disruption? And when when

1334
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:41.440
might it actually be redirection toward that next step? Like what?

1335
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:44.239
And then what is that that simple next step? So

1336
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:48.199
I am. I am so grateful for our conversation today, Patrick,

1337
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:50.159
Thank you for taking the time, Thank you for being

1338
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.760
with us, Thank you for being with me, and we'll

1339
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.239
see you guys next time on Quick Before You Forget.

1340
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:59.000
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1341
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:02.320
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1342
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.400
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1343
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:11.880
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