Aug. 3, 2026

Embracing Duality: Two Things Can Be True

Embracing Duality: Two Things Can Be True

Two things can be true. You can spend years doing the work and still be learning how to live in the light. Your song of survival can be something that grounds you in challenge AND a soundtrack for creativity and innovation. This episode of Quick...

Two things can be true.

You can spend years doing the work and still be learning how to live in the light. Your song of survival can be something that grounds you in challenge AND a soundtrack for creativity and innovation.

This episode of Quick Before You Forget features a conversation that is months (years?) in the making and I am so grateful to Keila Shaheen for this soulful time together.

Can you guess which of us is ENFJ and which is INEJ?

Did you notice how I called out going to meet Alex Warren at Red Rocks six whole weeks before it happened?

You also finally get more of the story about my hot tub Let Them friend Pat, the stranger I drove almost 12 hours in the car with to use our comp tickets to see Mel Robbins in April.

Keila and I talked about what it actually looks like to step into your light and how to notice glimmers, which are tiny moments of joy that help you regulate your nervous system. Because this is a safe space to practice believing that two things can be true. And that the work doesn’t just heal what hurts. It also helps you notice the good. I can’t wait to hear what you think of this one, friends!

Meaningful Moments

00:00 – Meet Keila Shaheen and why becoming whole means holding both shadow and light
02:00 – Childhood conversations, curiosity, and the foundation of deep inner work
05:00 – Why road trips create transformational conversations
08:00 – The journal that unlocked a lifelong love of self-reflection
09:30 – The dark night of the soul that inspired the Shadow Work Journal
14:00 – Turning pain into purpose and why transformation becomes contagious
16:00 – How to keep going when you feel stuck
20:00 – What shadow work actually is (and why so many people misunderstand it)
22:00 – Carl Jung, psychology, and reconnecting with your soul
26:00 – Why healing isn't about fixing yourself
28:00 – How to pause when anxiety takes over
30:00 – Building your personal toolkit for emotional regulation
32:00 – Learning to notice beauty again
34:00 – What are "glimmers" and why they calm your nervous system?
36:00 – Music, creativity, and accessing deeper parts of yourself
39:00 – The soundtrack of survival
42:00 – What Keila would tell her 22-year-old self
45:00 – Why courage is the fastest path to growth
49:00 – Creating light in a world that feels chaotic
51:00 – What light work actually looks like
52:00 – Why light was never meant to erase darkness
54:00 – Becoming the light you need

Resources
The Shadow Work Journal - https://a.co/d/05xirQXx
The 369 Journal: https://a.co/d/01ZLzpwJ
The Lucky Girl Journal: https://a.co/d/04pkKNkE
The Light Work Journal - https://a.co/d/0g42DP86
The Book of Shadow Work - https://a.co/d/006XxuP2

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Keep doing what you're scared of doing. That's like the

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easiest pathway to growth, right there.

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Kayla shaheen, thank you, and I'm so excited you're here

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on quick before you forget today.

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Thank you for having me. I'm excited to dive into

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all of our shared passions self help, mental health, journaling, creativity, music.

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There's just so much to talk about.

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There is so much to talk about. I don't even

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really know where to start, but I will start by

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making sure that our friends who don't know who you

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are get to know you a little bit better because

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they need to know who Kayla is for real. So

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Kayla is an acclaimed best selling author, creator, genius marketer,

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and guide in the world of inner work, best known

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for helping people face the parts of themselves that they've

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hidden through shadow work and now step into who they're

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becoming through light work. Her work sits at the intersection

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of healing and expansion, reminding us that we're not just

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here to process our pain, but we're here to remember

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our power. Because becoming whole isn't about choosing shadow or light.

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It's about learning to hold both, and I believe we

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do that through an amount of storytelling, and I believe

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that our story is our superpower. So Kayla, what I

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want to do today is walk through your story a

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little bit like past, present, and future and just learn

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from you. Does that sound like fun?

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Yeah, that sounds great. I'd love to talk to it.

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And thank you for a beautiful introduction.

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Thank you. I appreciate that.

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I think the between opposites is where we find wholeness

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and a new pathway can emerge. So that's that's my

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hope through all this work.

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Well, it's helped me greatly, and in case y'all can't.

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For anybody that's listening instead of watching, first of all,

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you're missing out because you need to go watch these

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episodes and watching them is way more fun. And I

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have behind me all of these amazing journals that I

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have put so much of my heart and soul into.

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So and they're Kayla's. There's there's the shadow Work Journal

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that you guys have maybe heard about, But then there's

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there's more. That was the three six nine one, there

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was the Book of shadow Work, and most recently, ah,

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we have a new one, the light Work Journal. And honestly,

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for reasons that everybody that knows me will understand. This

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is my favorite one because it's kind of like the

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follow up. It's like the like we learned about the

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hard stuff, we work through the hard stuff, and to me, Kayla,

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like this feels like the butterfly moment, Like this feels

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like we had the the icky monkey chrystalist time and

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now we're like, Okay, now we choose the light. So

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let's just go back a minute, because I want to

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learn about your story a little bit more, and that

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starts in the past, where I think and know that

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you have people that have shaped who you are today.

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So is there one person in particular, one relationship from

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your childhood that has become part of who you are

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and what you're all building.

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a huge influence in the way that I think and

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in my openness to dive deep, ever since I was

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a young girl. I have one older brother, so there's

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always us in the car driving somewhere and then having

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really deep conversations. And I'm six years old and I'm

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like looking outside the window and considering all these beautiful

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things about the human experience. So it's really colored the

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way that I moved through the world as an adult

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in a really meaningful way, and it's Yeah, it's inspiring

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me to share this kind of thinking and pondering and

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inquiry with the world. So yeah, I definitely say my

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parents because they're also deep thinkers and questioners, and I mean,

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we all do it in different ways, but it's important

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to share it in our own authentic ways.

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So what a blessing that is just to have that

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openness and that relationship with your parents like that. And

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you said six years old specifically, so I'm wondering if

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was there something specific that you remember from when you

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were six that that comes to mind.

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in a car ride, when you're having a conversation, you're

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not looking at each other, but like your voices are there.

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space for flow. And I think we found like fluid

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conversations in the car ride that we would have as

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a family and road trips that we would do. It's

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a beautiful shared space where we can sort of get

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Yeah, can I tell you a funny story about road trips?

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I just took one with an one hundred percent stranger.

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calling and draw to this woman at the gym. It's

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called lifetime, and you're not supposed to tape in in

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the area that I was taping, but I saw her

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reading let them, and I walked in. Let them by

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Mel Robbins. I saw her reading it and I walked in.

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I was like, Oh, my gosh, you're so close to

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the end. I'm so excited for you. I'm so ready

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for you to embark on this new journey after having

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read this book. Consumed this book because she had highlighters

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and posted notes in the whole thing. So I taped

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her reading the book, and this other woman ended up

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coming up to her and talking about the book with her,

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which I thought was the most beautiful moment. And again,

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I'm not supposed to be taping or taping strangers like

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it's too at the same time, and I posted it

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on the internet and Mel Robbins and her team saw it,

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so they ended up sending us comp tickets to go

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see her show, either in Minneapolis or Detroit, and they

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sent them to me and I was like, well, I

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have to take my new friend Pat from the gym,

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who I don't know at all. So she and I drove.

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I drove and she talked for five and a half

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hours on our way to Minneapolis last literally, this was

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just last week. And the stories like you're right, like

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there is a different flow that happens like in a

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car ride, like on a road trip like that where

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we legitimately shared, like swapped entire life stories on the

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roughly eleven hours that I spent in the car with

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this essential stranger. And it was the coolest experience ever.

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I wish we could all like go on a road

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trip with a stranger, like would I would add that

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to anybody's My friend of mine called it a deathbed

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list instead of a bucket list, because you can have

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like a bucket list with things like I want to

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go to Paris, right, but your deathbedlist might include something more.

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It was Emily Ferrett, I just had her on. Your

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death dead list might include something more. I don't know

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what the word is. More more purpose driven, like I

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run a marathon or you know, like things like that,

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and there's so much that goes into training and running

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for a marathon in your head and everything else, But

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thank you for listening to that story because you were

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speaking my language. I love road trips and the flow

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of conversation is very beautiful. That happens on those road trips.

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Podcasts set up too, I do a great podcast setup,

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like in the car on a road trip. Who that

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would be really cool. We should do that. That would

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be so your destination.

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But do you ever? But do you ever? The work

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is never done. I mean that's the thing. Oh my gosh,

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So the conversation in the car and you I'm curious though,

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like when did you start journaling? Were you journaling then

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at the age of six? Probably sooner than that.

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I remember, Man, you're really getting me to think super

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early back and all these like flashes of images are

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coming up. But I think my first one of my

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first diaries was this like chunk key plastic one that

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had like a button key thing that you have to

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press or unlock. And yes, I think that's what unlocked

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is the magic of journaling for me was this beautiful, mystical,

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chunky toy journal and it was Yeah, I mean, it's

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it's amazing to have a space for yourself to outlet

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and share your thoughts and feelings without any expectations, without

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anyone judging you. It's you can be open and free

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with yourself and learn a lot. And that's a practice

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that I've just taken on with me throughout any seasons

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of life, and it's inspired me to create more tools

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for for myself and for people who will find it useful.

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I've found it useful for sure, and you know I

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too though, Like I I joke that I have been

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journaling since I could hold a pencil, and it doesn't.

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I'm sure it didn't all make sense, and honestly between us,

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it still doesn't.

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You know.

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I journal sometimes and I look back, I'm like, what

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was I saying? But it doesn't matter because you're processing

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things that are different and I guess easier to process

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in that space. So can you talk us through like

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what you're when you create when you're creating these journals.

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I mean you said something about like creating something that's

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helpful for you and being able to share it in

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a way that's helpful for others. How has that process

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been like on a like a creative level for you.

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Yeah. I'll use the shadow Work journal as an example,

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and that journal was inspired after a dark Night of

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the Soul period for myself. This was post pandemic, when

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I was just getting out of college, stepping into the

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real world that looked completely different from the world that

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I grew up in, trying to figure out who I

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was and what I was meant to do it was

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part of It was very heavy and confusing, and I

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needed to experiment with some things in life, you know,

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test out different careers. And throughout that process I did

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hit a rut and it was hard. It was hard.

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I looked for a therapist. I couldn't find a good match.

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In that process. Time continued to go on and I

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had to sit with myself and ask, what are you

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going to do about this? Like, what is what can

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I take responsibility for and do to help myself? In

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the kind of moment, I knew it wasn't the end.

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I knew that this wasn't what life was going to

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look like for the rest of my life. So I

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was like, Okay, how do I work with this? What

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do I learn from this? How do I grow from this?

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I was getting really anxious. I was in a job

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that didn't feel right to me. I couldn't I didn't

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feel like I could be my authentic self. I was like,

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I can't show up fully here. So I started journaling again,

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sitting in the floor of my closet and getting in there,

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and that opened up so much for me during that

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dark time, and I realized what I was doing was

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shadow work, deep prompts, understanding the root of my anxieties

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and frustrations, going back into my childhood, learning how to

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tend reparent myself in areas that I needed that reparenting.

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And that's when I started learning more about Carl Jung

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and his ideas and the way he would go about

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his psychological practices with clients, and it was extremely helpful.

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And after a period of maybe six seven months of

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self inquiry and shadow work, I felt like I broke

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through and the weight was lifted, and I actually started

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showing up in the same exact job position, but as

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a different with a different energy, carrying myself in a

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different way, with a new found you know, source of light.

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It was alchemy. I took what was heavy and what

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was painful, and then it turned into gold and I

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could show up more clearly. And that was for myself

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and for people around me. So the transformation is, you know,

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it's contagious in a way, and and I got inspired

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to create a journal out of my practices. I looked

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at my dire I was like, why isn't why doesn't

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this exist? If I had a guide, a journal, you

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know that it could have made my practice a lot

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more organized or you know, less heavy, maybe more easy

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to process, more grounded to move through. So I started

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waking up at five am in the morning blasting the

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Beatles music in my ears. It was something that my

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family would listen to when I was a kid. So

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got me in that inner child inspired state. And I

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started writing and drafting the first draft of the shadow

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Work Journal, and it was like this force of creativity

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just moving through me and excited to take what was

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confusing and painful and create something from it. I think

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that's that's been a huge sore of motivation in my life,

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is you know, once we go through these hardships and

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confusing times, the clarity and the the meaning that we

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can create on the other side, it's with and it's

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it's gold. So there's so much alchemy that we can

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do in our lives. And that was part of my process.

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think that's what happens when I create something new and different.

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It's like, I don't know, I got kind of shy

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about it, and I just created a TikTok page and

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and over time I was able to build a really

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beautiful community around that, and I'm glad it resonated. I

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wasn't sure if it was going to resonate with a

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lot of people, but it did.

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shadow Work Journal. Yeah, like that's incredible. And because I mean,

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I took a ton of notes while you were talking,

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so I have, like, I feel like I have to

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like circle back on several things. But that's a ton

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of people that have done, including myself, who have used

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something that you weren't even really sure would help other people.

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And I think that speaks to the importance of showing

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up for something that might not make sense out loud

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right away, because so many of us have these big

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ideas and big dreams and we feel this like indescribable

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pull toward something and we don't always go for it because,

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you know, seeing is believing, but you believed in something

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and then just kept showing up for that something, And

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that's a beautiful, beautiful gift to honestly everybody that's had

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the opportunity to work through your journals. You also said

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how do I grow from this? Like? How do you

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turn pain into purpose? And that is I think a

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lot easier said than done. So as you've done some

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of this work, and as this whole community has kind

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of rallied around the work that you're doing, what advice

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do you have for somebody that's like stuck and doesn't

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know what that means or how that looks for them

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to grow in the hard.

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that this isn't the whole picture. Right when we are

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in the muck and then the stuck, that's our whole perspective.

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But it's important to also use the gift of our imagination,

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which everyone has to wonder and ponder and consider the

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future and other possibilities. What if things looked different? What

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if you could envision what this is serving you, what

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this is offering you. Maybe we won't find the answer

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here and now, but we can walk with the question

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and As we walk with the question, we grow and

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we understand deeper, and eventually the answer becomes who we

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are in the future, what we grow into. So that's

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the beauty of personal growth and development. Is that the

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answer the answers to your your confusions and your questions.

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You hold them and over time you grow into the answer.

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You become like the the source of.

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Wholeness, right, you grow into the answer. I admire you

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so much. You have this poetic way of talking that

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makes me feel so seen. You know, I joke around

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like I do. I have been journaling, I have been

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I've been writing poetry for so long, and I err

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on the side of being a little bit like poetic

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out loud to people, and they often are just a

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little curious, like that's just tie, she's a little she's

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a little quirky like that. But it's just so refreshing

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to speak with somebody that talks like I do. And

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I think that that's what you said about the contagiousness

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of transformation. It's so true because your hard work on

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yourself and you're showing up regardless of it, not necessarily

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always making sense for yourself led to your growth and

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transformation and it's contagious, like it has sparked into the

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world in all these really cool ways with other people

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and some I just I'm just very grateful for when

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I can identif when that's happening in the world, because

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it's like we need more light. That this world has

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enough darkness. We have too many bad things going on

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and we need more light. So when there are light

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bringers that just like generate the light through the dark,

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that's the thing too, Like you've shown up in the

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darkness for yourself and by doing that, you showed up

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for so many more people. And listening to the Beatles,

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tell me more about that. What Beatles song.

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Oh you Need is Love?

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That's the perfect one.

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There's one that's something about the world goes on, goes On, Yes,

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that's the title of it. But it's such a funny

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song to listen to while you're like working on a

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shadow channel. But that's the energy that I was, like,

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life goes on and I was just on that wave

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of life goes on and you can follow the flow.

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It was really.

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Powerful and still people don't. So what do people get

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wrong about shadow work?

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There's a lot of misconceptions around shadow work, just the

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name in itself, I think is a little disturbing, like, oh,

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working with your shadows. There's this idea that it's demonic,

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which it's not. It's a psychological practice of self inquiry

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and looking into your unconscious. The unconscious is like this

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vast hidden layer of your psyche that holds everything outside

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of your conscious awareness, so your repressed memories, your instincts,

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and also your untapped potential. It's not just like this

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storage space. It's an active you know, it's an act

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of wellspring of images, symbols and materials that shape how

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we think and how we feel and how we behave

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in life. But yeah, once when the shadow Work journal

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was taking off, there's definitely like questions and confusion around

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the practice. And yeah, it's important to know. It was

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developed by Carl Jung. He's a Swiss analytical psychologist. He

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works closely with Freud. They had a little breakup. Freud's

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ideas kind of took over the Western modern mind how

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we look at psychology today. Young's ideas kind of got

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buried in the shadow of psychology unintended, Yeah, unintended, And

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so it's it's a really beautiful, beautiful way to look

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at your psyche and your soul. Psyche means soul, and

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we've really taken out of psychology. It's more mind body

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right now in the Western world. But what Carl Jung

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was presenting and looking at the Shadow was soul work, essentially.

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I was fascinated by Carl Jung when I did my

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master's degree in clinical psychology and the undergrad work that

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I did, I did a lot of study specifically on him.

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We get to you get to kind of choose and

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do the papers and stuff, and that feels like seventeen

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thousand lives ago. But also, you know, I chose him

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in the divorce with him in Freud and it's funny

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you should say he got buried in the shadows, because

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I felt that way too. And I think that there

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was a lot of good he contributed to the world

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of psychology. And I love that you're such a champion

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of his If you could that makes me wonder, like

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I'm just curious, like if you could ask him, if

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you could ask Carl Jung any question, what would you

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ask him.

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I don't know. I need to really think about this one. Honestly,

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I feel like he answered all the questions with his books.

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And I'm so grateful that he was vulnerable enough and

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courageous enough to write how he wrote, because he was

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doing a lot of his own self inquiry and processing,

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like through The Red Book and of his other books

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on analytical psychology. Man, yeah, I don't know. I'd have

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to get back to that. But there's there's a lot

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in his books that I feel like I could decode

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and find answers to. But I guess I would ask

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him what he would think about light work and shadow work,

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because he he paved the way for the archetypal energy

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of shadow and how we can work with that. But

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shadow work as a practice really emerged after his time,

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and it was inspired by by his work as well,

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and it was kind of like the collective understanding of

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his shadow archetype. So yeah, I wonder what he would

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think of shadow work and journaling and light work too.

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I feel like he'd be so grateful to, Like I'll

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never forget I read. So I read Rachel Hollis's Girl

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WASHERR Face back in twenty nineteen, like a lot of

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us did, and there was something that felt unfinished about

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that book. To me. It felt very much like great.

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I know that I made for it more. But now

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what like and how like? It was like you identified

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so many good things about like what you could do

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with your life, but there was no like manual. And

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then you know, last year if she came out with

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what if you are the Answer? And I thought that

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was the coolest book end to girl wash your face?

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You know, several years later it was like you know,

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she she wrote, none of us need a manual on

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X y Z. We need to know how it how

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we can bring it to life. So I think, and

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this is maybe just because I'm biased and I'm a

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fan of yours, but I think that he would be

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super pumped because the light work journal feels like a

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an and like you do the shadow you do the

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shadow work, and this is how you, like like Mel

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Robbins again like let them and then let me do

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X you know, like you it's it's the it's the

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action that you the individual take toward building the life

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that you are becoming. And it's it that's beautiful. So

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I just I think I think he'd be a big

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fan of yours. But at what point does healing become

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less about the past and more about the future.

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Mm hmm. I think let me think about this. I'm

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not sure how I feel about the word healing in

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terms of this. I think there's healing imposes that there's

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something wrong that needs to be fixed sometimes, and I

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think we grow through our experiences in the present moment,

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and it's more about I'm like thinking in images right now,

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so I'm trying to put into words connection, like if

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there's something open, like for example, a wound right or

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there's a disconnection you're maybe not resonating in the current

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career that you're in or the friendship that you're in,

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there is a disconnect and because of that, we start

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coming up with things to compensate for that disconnect. So

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healing or recovering from that is really about finding ways

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to repair the connection to what's being disconnected. And sometimes

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we don't need to do that through external things. We

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need to do that in an internal fashion and then

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we can show up and feel more connected in our

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present reality. I'm not sure if that answers your question,

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but no.

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It does. It's just interesting because I'm wondering, like I

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just feel like a lot of people resist looking at

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their shadow even though we know it's there, or working

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with their shadow even though we know it's there, And

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I don't know how like, because like, I think there's

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a difference between awareness and healing, and I don't know

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how to help, like and maybe it's not my job

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to do, but I really wish I could help people

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like bridge that gap. Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah? For sure?

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So what like, how how do you know when you're

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actually doing light work?

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Not?

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Well, let's let's pivot off a shadow work, Like, how

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do you know that the light work is working like

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in the way that you would want it to work.

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So in my personal practice, I've developed this ability to

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balance the duality of life. There's gonna be a day

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where you're feeling triggered or anxious or you're rushing through life,

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and that's a sign to pause and do shadow work.

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How how like you are a genius at this And

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I'm sorry to I hate interrupting people, but like, pausing

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when you're chaotic and triggered is difficult and like, and

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I know it takes practice, but how like, how how

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do you how do you slow it down? How do

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you quiet that that that noise that can take over?

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It's a challenge, for sure, And I'll use myself as

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an example, like I've been experiencing like I keep I

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want to move fast, and I feel like there's so

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much to do, and and then I get in my

459
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:37.119
head and I start experiencing the shadows of of anxiety

460
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.400
or I don't know, there's like some anger there. So

461
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.759
I need to dissolve that. So what I'll do in

462
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:47.319
that In that process, I bring into the awareness Okay,

463
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:52.240
I'm feeling this, this energy, this pool, it's outside of me.

464
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.799
It's not me. So when it's first and then body

465
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.240
like where is this? Is it? Like in my chest?

466
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.599
Is it in my legs? Is it in my arms?

467
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.079
My head? I think I hold a lot in my

468
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:11.039
head whenever this happens. So then after that is the action,

469
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.720
like what can you take? What actions can you take

470
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:19.400
to help dissolve this? Or for me recently, it's been

471
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.759
like I can slow down time if I slow myself down,

472
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.559
and then I end up getting these things done and

473
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.440
it feels like magic and it's like, Okay, my shadow

474
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.960
was getting in the way I was, you know, self sabotaging.

475
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.559
So I mean everyone's method is going to look different

476
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.200
depending on what they're going through. That's why I recommend

477
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.119
finding the things that work for you, and having that

478
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.279
tool kit in the back of your mind whenever you

479
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:49.720
need it.

480
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.200
Do you hear back from from your community at all

481
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.440
about things that work for them? I'm curious if they're

482
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.200
because I I have my suggestion, as a person that's

483
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.640
followed you on social media for a very long time,

484
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.799
would be to follow you because there are things that

485
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:08.839
you do on a daily basis and you share on

486
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:13.039
your particularly like Instagram stories for example, that I'm like, oh,

487
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.440
and you are very gifted at the art of noticing

488
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:20.359
and like paying attention to when you get I don't

489
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.279
want to call them signs maybe, but just shifts an

490
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:27.559
energy and you're just very aware of things. And I

491
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:29.160
think that takes me. I think the thing that people

492
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.680
don't recognize is that does take practice, like I do.

493
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.119
Joy from the ground Up is my little series on

494
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.920
TikTok where I have my phone on the ground and

495
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.799
I say like, what are you grateful for today? And

496
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.640
you know the reason that I keep showing up and

497
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.079
doing those even though they're super cringe and nobody comments.

498
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.160
I know that you know. Every now and then somebody

499
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.839
does and they stop and they pause and they actually

500
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:55.720
look at their world around them and they find something

501
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.079
to be grateful for in that moment and that grounds them.

502
00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:59.680
And I know that if I can do that for

503
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:04.279
one person, it's so worth it. Because but it's taken

504
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.319
me the practice, Like it's taken me, like you said,

505
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.920
like slowing things down in my mind to be able

506
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.519
to notice and pick these things up. And now that

507
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.640
I've been doing it for I honestly probably say I've

508
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:22.960
been practicing gratitude and practicing noticing and practicing paying attention

509
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.119
to all those little things for like seven years and

510
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.240
that is what it's taken for me to get to

511
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.359
this point now where I can go out into the

512
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.400
world and I'm like, wow, look at that pretty tree,

513
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.640
And like I have friends in my life that are like, wow,

514
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.279
she's a little should looking at the tree, like it's

515
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:41.960
just a tree tie, you know. But I'm just I

516
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.119
just see beauty and like the color. And you know,

517
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.799
life in four K is beautiful.

518
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.839
When you notice you feel that connection, that's when you're

519
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.240
healing the split between the disconnection that we're experiencing as

520
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:01.240
a culture with our environment with ourselves.

521
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:06.480
So that's beautiful, it's really cool. So I how do

522
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:12.000
you m hmm. I mean why is why is joy?

523
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:12.200
Like?

524
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:18.960
Why is noticing? In your opinion, sometimes harder, like it

525
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.960
should be easier, Like in my opinion it should be easier.

526
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:27.160
But I feel like it's so much easier to be

527
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:33.000
horimogeony and you know, to share the misery. And you

528
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.640
said a word that is close to my heart about

529
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.319
like alchemy, and you know, you think about like the

530
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:41.880
role that that plays and all of the things. I

531
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.400
just you know, I wish it wasn't so hard sometimes

532
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:51.480
to choose joy for example, mm hmm.

533
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:57.240
Yeah, for sure. If we're not here, then where are we?

534
00:33:59.119 --> 00:33:59.960
Yeah?

535
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.880
Yeah, So when you choose to see the glimmers in life,

536
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.639
it brings you here. That's the most important place to be.

537
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.599
That was beautiful. And talk to me about glimmers, Like

538
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.480
people don't know what glimmers are, and I love them,

539
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.000
So talk to me just like level set for people

540
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.119
that might not know. They've maybe heard the term, but

541
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:23.119
they don't know what it means.

542
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:29.639
Glimmers are the opposite of triggers. They calm your nervous system.

543
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:35.079
They're present here and now in the moment, and they're

544
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.960
like the shimmering glitter of life that you can find,

545
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:45.400
whether it's the way the tree bark is curving and

546
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.840
you notice it, or you know the way someone's talking

547
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:50.920
to you in the middle of a conversation and you

548
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:55.440
see the spark in their eyes. It's that sense of

549
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.440
gratitude and a liveness that you can sense in the

550
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:04.639
moment around you, and it's beautiful. It's the beautiful practice

551
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.800
to start spotting glimmers in your life because it does

552
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:13.239
shift your energy. And in the zenful Note app, which

553
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.360
is an app I created for tracking your triggers and

554
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.519
glimmers and checking in with your emotions, you can actually

555
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.920
track your glimmers and take pictures of them and write

556
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.559
a little note on how you felt before the glimmer

557
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.760
and then after the glimmer. So yeah, there's tools that

558
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.440
you can use to cultivate this practice too.

559
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.000
Thank you for mentioning that, because I have that tool

560
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.760
and I've used it. I should use it more, but

561
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.320
I've used it. It's really cool, and I will include

562
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.760
the link in the show notes for people to check

563
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:47.440
that out, because it's really if you don't know where

564
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.760
to start, it's a great place to start.

565
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:55.320
So your resources there kind of take all the physical

566
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.880
resources that I built and then figured it out a

567
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.119
way to integrate that into a digital space.

568
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.320
That's a beautiful digital space. Of course, nothing you do

569
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.039
is without a level of intention and care that is

570
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:14.480
very special. So I know that we talked about noticing

571
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.159
things and grounding and the Beatles and all of that

572
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.599
reminds me of like the You know, my whole tool

573
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.159
belt is full of music, mindset, and movement. Those are

574
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.119
my three words. And music is very very special to me,

575
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.480
and I know it's very very special to you, So

576
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.000
talk to me about the role that music has played

577
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.920
in your develop your personal growth and development.

578
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:43.239
Music has always held like an ocean of my soul

579
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.760
that I hadn't dared to swim in yet. As an adult,

580
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.559
I kind of left it on the sidelines. But in

581
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.360
my childhood it was very very alive. I would play

582
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.840
rock band with my brother and I would sing and

583
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.519
he would be on the guitar. And I remember the

584
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.320
feeling of that as a quiet, introverted little girl, just

585
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.679
getting up there, just singing on rock band in front

586
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.760
of my grandparents and cousins and stuff who would do

587
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:20.280
things like this. And I've taken that practice of vulnerability

588
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:25.280
into my adult life now I'm part of an electronic

589
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.199
band called sun Bella, and it's been a really beautiful

590
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.760
space to learn learn how to do soul work in

591
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:40.880
real time through creativity and lyrics and just different ways

592
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:46.039
to express through sound. It's you know, with writing, there's

593
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.000
still part of me that's organizing and shaping and making

594
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.239
sense and taking time. But with music you can bypass

595
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.599
all of that. It feels closer to the instinctual self,

596
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:02.840
closer to something very ancient in prime. It's like not

597
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.480
like you're creating so much from the mind as much

598
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.719
as you're listening for what wants to come through from

599
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:17.079
something deeper. So it's been an incredible exploration beyond writing

600
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:17.400
for me.

601
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:25.719
I'm you've made me speechless because everything you just said

602
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.920
makes so much sense to me at such a deep, deep,

603
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:34.119
deep level, because I very simply have found so much

604
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.199
piece in music and in lyrics and in the expression

605
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.159
through all of it, but also just the you can

606
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:48.000
tune into a channel of yourself that can be hard

607
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.199
to find with everything else going on in the world

608
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.719
through music. Music allows you to, like you said, like

609
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.639
called it like the ocean of your soul. Yes, and

610
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.599
that is like, like I'm writing, I am put that

611
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:05.920
on a T shirt for real, So check out her

612
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.519
music because it's really good, guys, I trust me. She's

613
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:14.440
just it's very peaceful, but also just like soulful. And

614
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.480
what is your song? Like, what is your song of survival?

615
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:20.239
If you had one, if you had to pick one.

616
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.480
I know it's hard when you're a music early, but

617
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.679
if you had to pick one, what's your song when

618
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.800
you would put on when things are hard and you

619
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.199
need to remind ground yourself and remind yourself why you

620
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.639
keep going m.

621
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.119
In moments of hardship, but also on the opposite side

622
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:40.039
of the spectrum of like a liveness and motivation, it

623
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.880
would be the same. I feel like they hold the

624
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:48.119
same kind of amounts of energy. So definitely Time by

625
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:48.880
Hans Zimmer.

626
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.280
Oh my gosh, how girl.

627
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:59.599
So emotional, it's motivating. It's like big things happen when

628
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.400
you're this to that song inside. So it's when the

629
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.719
tsunami of the ocean is happening, and I think I

630
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.840
put that song on when when I feel like I

631
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:13.760
need some motivation, or if I am motivated and I

632
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.639
want to activate more. I definitely use music as a

633
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.880
tool sometimes in practices whether it's shadow work or manifestation,

634
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:29.960
there's certain energies that songs can hold that will align

635
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:35.800
you emotionally to that emotional pathway towards you know, what

636
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:41.320
you're trying to achieve. So in my hardcore manifestation days

637
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.960
as well, I would put Time on and then right right,

638
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:50.599
and also in more of the healing and self soothing days.

639
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:56.079
Yeah, isn't that interesting? So I have for me a

640
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.960
little bit of that song also Hans Zim or anything.

641
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.719
But you know the sound I've always been a soundtrack girl.

642
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.719
I love a good soundtrack, and it's actually influenced howas

643
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.519
I kind of soundtrack my life. I listened to music

644
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.800
constantly and and I know I love this about us.

645
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:17.599
And Interstellar is another one that like that one is

646
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.480
huge for like when I'm feeling creative or Lindsay Sterling

647
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.559
had Duality come out, I think last year at the

648
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.920
very perfect time. I just love the violin and just

649
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.760
her energy is always so like off the charts, contagious

650
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.880
with all the good things she just puts into the world.

651
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.039
So I but for you to say time, but also

652
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.719
for you to say that it's both like you use

653
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.559
it when you kind of you use it to kind

654
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:48.159
of balance yourself when you're down, and it keeps you

655
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.840
focused when you're up. And that's interesting to me because

656
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.760
I've been asking this question and that answer has happened

657
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.840
more than I expected, and it's true for me too.

658
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.039
Like one of my my my song was Survival that

659
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.119
I talk about aside from the ones that I just

660
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.519
spoke of, was is Swim by Andrew McMahon. And I've

661
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.079
listened to that in some really really sad, sad times,

662
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.079
and I've listened to that in some really really good times,

663
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.480
including getting to see it live four times last year,

664
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.280
So you know, it was just it's fascinating to me

665
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.840
that we have these songs that are grounding in both

666
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.800
and here we are talking about holding both the shadow

667
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.480
and the light, and that's it's just it kind of

668
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.320
brings that to light in a cool way that I

669
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.320
wasn't expecting. So one of my questions that I've been

670
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.159
asking my everybody is what you would tell your twenty

671
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:36.800
two year old self. And I know that that's kind

672
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.079
of silly because you're older than that, but not by

673
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.920
that much, so but you did react. You're like, oh,

674
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.440
and you thought maybe you had something and I'm grateful

675
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:46.960
because I was going to say, like, what would you

676
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:48.320
tell your like eighteen year old self, or I was

677
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.000
going to go down a couple of years, but tell me,

678
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:51.719
what would you tell your twenty two year old self?

679
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.920
Well I had that like reaction with a nod, because

680
00:42:56.039 --> 00:43:00.519
my twenty two year old self she well, that's when

681
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.760
everything started happening with the shadow Work Journal, So there's

682
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.239
a lot going on in my life at that time. Yeah,

683
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.800
I think looking back now, I would tell her to

684
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.840
have the courage to see yourself and to see the

685
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:19.880
world without illusion, have the courage to discern what's grounded

686
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:24.519
and right for you versus what is not grounded and

687
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.199
not coming from you and your truth. And I say

688
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:33.480
this because success comes with a lot of confusion, good

689
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.280
confusion and bad confusion, and you have to learn how

690
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.840
to navigate that in a very grounded way. And as

691
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:45.599
someone who's so young and you know, anything that was

692
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:48.000
coming my way, I was like, Wow, this is awesome.

693
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:52.039
But I'm so happy that I had resources and family

694
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:56.440
and people to help ground me and like back me

695
00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:02.280
up and ask me questions, and yeah, really really important

696
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:07.800
skill to practice is discernment, to know what's what's part

697
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.440
of the truth and what's part of an illusion?

698
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.400
Yeah, go ahead.

699
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.559
I think I'm a dreamer for sure, as are you.

700
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.679
Probably I am one, yes, and that's actually one.

701
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:26.960
Of my biggest gifts that helped me create and in

702
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:33.840
that dream. But yeah, definitely balancing that with discernment and

703
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:39.639
groundedness and truth. That's how you can access your authenticity

704
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.000
versus you know, becoming porous to things around you.

705
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.159
It's not always easy to be the dreamer either, like

706
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:52.599
it's it's it's definitely because yes, you're right, you nailed it,

707
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.920
and I tend to be a little bit I've gotten,

708
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.440
you know, I've owned the delusion, like I've just decided,

709
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.639
and that takes a lot of you use the word courage.

710
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.280
It takes a lot of courage to decide to just

711
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.519
step into it and say, yes, I am a dreamer

712
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:11.320
and I'm gonna I'm going to go I'm going to

713
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:15.400
make it happen. And believing in something that doesn't exist

714
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.119
yet is very scary. And we do it with the fear.

715
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:21.840
Like you don't eliminate the fear, the fear is still there.

716
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.920
I mean, I even I joked online before I got

717
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.159
we got on here because I was nervous to talk

718
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:29.800
to you, and I like, I'm like, why am I

719
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.440
so nervous? Like we've been like internet essentially internet friends

720
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.320
for a bit, and I don't know why I was nervous,

721
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.239
but you know, we do it anyway. Like, and that's

722
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.519
and that's where real growth happens, is when you can like,

723
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:44.039
well you got the fear, but you're doing it anyway.

724
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.679
I think that's another great piece of advice, is like

725
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.000
keep doing what you're you're scared of doing. That's like

726
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.039
the easiest pathway to growth, right there.

727
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.280
Yeah, easiest pathway to growth. It's definitely, I mean, not.

728
00:45:58.519 --> 00:45:59.400
What you're scared of.

729
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.760
Yeah, it's easy is not the right word though, Like

730
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.000
it's because it's hard. Honestly, it's hard, but like it's

731
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.559
the most effective maybe it would be a better word,

732
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.719
Like the most effective path of growth is to be

733
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.000
doing it scared and doing it because it's not easy

734
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.480
to show up and be the crazy person that believes

735
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.079
that she can interview Alex Warren at Red Rocks, Like

736
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:23.000
that's the that's like the manifestation that I'm putting out

737
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.639
into the world right now, and it's very big and

738
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:28.000
very like. People are like, what is her wife? She's

739
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.559
so crazy with this? But I have reasons and they're

740
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.320
grounded in a lot of truth, authenticity, and just a

741
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.199
desire to, you know, show the world that it's possible

742
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.719
to do the things that seem impossible, because impossible it's

743
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.320
just a big word thrown around by small people. I

744
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:45.519
could talk to you for so long.

745
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.039
You know what your personality type is? Your myers breaks?

746
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.599
Oh my gosh, Ean FJ.

747
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.800
I knew it. I'm an I NFJ.

748
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:05.000
Yes, yes enneagram seven, which is the you know, goodness

749
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:11.400
enthusiast that shocks nobody. And yeah, I suppressed it for

750
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.360
a long time, like I thought, And honestly, it's part

751
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.559
of why I started drinking, because I thought that I

752
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:20.480
had to be present a certain way in order to

753
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.559
be myself. Like I thought that if well, if she's drunk,

754
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.800
then she's being That's that's how she is because she's drunk.

755
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.679
And it's just no that it did backfire tremendously in

756
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.719
all the ways, but it was I can be who

757
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.599
I am and be sober. I'm proud to say that

758
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.000
I am who I am and I'm sober, and it's

759
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.159
taken a level of bravery and courage to show up

760
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:48.039
as this very real, very whimsical. You know, my son

761
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:49.920
actually paid me the kindest thing when we were at

762
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.159
Disney World a couple of weeks ago. He was like, Mom,

763
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:57.079
I love that you're so childish. I was like, you know,

764
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.320
some moms that I know and I'm friends with and

765
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.159
adore would see that as an insult. They'd be like,

766
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.119
what do you mean I'm childish? Like I am a

767
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.000
grown up, and don't you talk to me that way.

768
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.440
And I thought it was the kindest, sweetest, most beautiful compliment,

769
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.719
because yes, at Disney World, I turned into a twelve

770
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:18.039
year old me who just was like everything was magic

771
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.239
and I just was so so happy and it was overflowing.

772
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:22.920
And my ten year old said that, and I was like,

773
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.960
you know, I could see that as negative or I

774
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:26.639
can see it as the compliment and the gift that

775
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.679
it is because I have embraced that in her child

776
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.920
so hard, and she's so grateful. Honestly, she's very grateful

777
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.440
that that in her child is getting to explore and

778
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.679
do the things that she always wanted to do. At

779
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.639
the age of forty instead of twelve, you know, because

780
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.039
I was too afraid back then. And that's not for

781
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.400
lack of support. Like my mom always said, I was

782
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.000
made for more. My mom always was my number one fan.

783
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:53.559
She always always, I mean from the day she named

784
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:56.360
me Tyler because she thought that tie would look good

785
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:58.800
in print. You know, the day that I was born,

786
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.320
she already thought that I would be a writer. And

787
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.360
you know, how cool is it that I've gotten to

788
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:07.920
do that. But it's just it's really cool when I've

789
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.159
just had I could talk to you for like forever,

790
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.320
and I know our time is short, so I need

791
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.599
I need to reel myself in and not forget to

792
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.760
ask you one of my most favorite, most important questions,

793
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.599
which is if I handed you a megaphone and like

794
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.519
the world had to listen to you right now in

795
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.039
this moment, what would you say?

796
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.400
I would say that, I mean, the world that we're

797
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:37.199
in right now is changing at a very rapid drastic pace. Yeah,

798
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.760
and we are moving into a time of uncertainty and instability.

799
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:49.239
It's very shaky right now. But knowing that chaos provides

800
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:54.519
this energy for both the destruction and new creation, it's

801
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.559
important for us to to pore our attention and energy

802
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.280
during the time and to things that can positively influence

803
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.159
our future and our planet Earth. This is our home

804
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:10.679
as a species. So you know what we choose to

805
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:15.559
look at, to embody, to take action on to say,

806
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:22.719
you know, whether it's in conversation with friends, co workers,

807
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.679
all of this is actively influencing our futures. So be

808
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.280
mindful and know that what you're doing right now you

809
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.639
have an impact and an influence, and channel it into

810
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.000
the future that you want to be part of, that

811
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.239
you want to live in. You know, this destruction and

812
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:47.079
creation energy is happening right now, so understand you know

813
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:50.920
your place in that too as a human being.

814
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.159
And it's an opportunity, like you said, something really powerful

815
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.719
because it's a chance for us to kind of level

816
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:02.440
set and take something that seems very you know, messy

817
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.400
and make it into something beautiful. And you know, that's

818
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:08.559
kind of, in my opinion, a little bit of what

819
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.960
you've done with the shadow work, turning it into the

820
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.960
light work. So one more thing I want to ask is,

821
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.679
you know what what is what are you most excited about?

822
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.280
Like what if somebody want it? Like if somebody was

823
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.679
going to ask you a question about this book and

824
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.719
you could like guide the ship and have them ask

825
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:29.000
you whatever question you wanted to answer. What would it be?

826
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:34.559
Mm, like, what is this going to do for me?

827
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:40.639
And I think there's so much, so much that can

828
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:44.840
be unlocked from yourself when you pay attention to your

829
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:49.360
light and you nurture it, because your light is your

830
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.960
energy force, it's it's your willpower, it's the life force,

831
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:58.519
and you can channel it in a way where where

832
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.760
it can serve you and it can serve the communities

833
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.239
around you. In a time right now where there's so

834
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:11.559
much like unconscious material circulating, fear, division, projective project projection, reactivity,

835
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.159
there's a real impact in choosing to move with awareness

836
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:22.360
instead of contributing to the same heaviness. It's light was

837
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.719
never meant. Light was never meant to erase darkness entirely.

838
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:31.440
It was meant to help orient ourselves amongst the darkness.

839
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:38.559
So yeah, light light work has gifted me with so

840
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:43.639
much motivation and purpose and meaning. You coming out of

841
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.960
a time where I was so heavy into shadow work

842
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.119
and deep in that practice. There's light at the end

843
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.239
of the tunnel, as we hope, and once you get there,

844
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:58.480
it's beautiful. I mean, you can do so much with

845
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.599
with the light that we all hold. Everyone has the spark.

846
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.440
So when you feel like you're living in the gray,

847
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.199
or you know you're in the tunnel and you don't

848
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.960
see the end of it, know that you can practice

849
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.760
nurturing and tending to this source of light, and once

850
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:20.559
you see the spark, you can navigate so much better

851
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.920
in life with it. But yeah, check out the Light

852
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.159
Work Journal. It's available any of our books are sold.

853
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.000
It's formatted in the same way as the Shadow Work Journal,

854
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.320
so it's a workbook. It's guided. There's different parts in it.

855
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:40.159
There's more of an educational reading section in the beginning

856
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.159
and introduction to light work, what light has meant in

857
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:52.920
psychology and mythology and spirituality, and there's exercises. There's also

858
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.800
interactive portions like QR codes you can scan with your phone.

859
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:02.159
They link out to meditation, visualizations and even music that

860
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:08.000
combines like the format of meditation. So it's a very immersive,

861
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.400
immersive book, and I hope people will have the courage

862
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:16.320
to dive in and cultivate their inner lights.

863
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.480
That's the thing. You've said. Something really cool about the

864
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.440
tunnel and the light at the end of the tunnel.

865
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.559
But the thing that I've realized working through the darkness

866
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.960
is that we are the light. We can choose to

867
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.480
be the light in that dark tunnel, and we have

868
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.760
the capability of doing that. And that is such a

869
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.400
gift and a blessing and something that I've come to

870
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.920
through my faith and through you know, my belief in

871
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:43.440
God and his yellow brick road path for me that

872
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:45.360
I keep showing up and walking on, even though I

873
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.119
don't always know what's going to happen, and the bricks

874
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.880
sometimes like fall out from under me, and I keep

875
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.320
showing up anyway because I've discovered and practiced and now

876
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.679
can say with some level of confidence and joy that

877
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.199
I have figured out how to be the light that

878
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.119
I need. And I'm so grateful because it has a

879
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:04.679
lot to do with people like you and the work

880
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:06.599
that you've done and the work that you've shared. So

881
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:08.960
thank you, thank you, thank you from the bottom of

882
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.039
my heart for being here and for doing all of

883
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:13.719
the hard work and all of the fun work and

884
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.480
all of the things. I am so grateful And yeah,

885
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.079
we'll see you next time friends on quick before you forget.

886
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.960
Thanks so much, tiy I appreciate you giving me the

887
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.559
space to share authentically. And yeah, this conversation was lots

888
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:27.920
of fun.

889
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:30.360
I thought you too, so we might just have to

890
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:30.840
do it again.

891
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:32.559
Yeah, let's do it.

892
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:38.880
Until then, We'll see you next time. Bye, thank you

893
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.199
for being here with me today on Quick Before You Forget.

894
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.320
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895
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:48.480
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896
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.679
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