Oct. 12, 2026

Creativity Protects You: Nick Nanton

Creativity Protects You: Nick Nanton

Twenty-four-time Emmy Award-winning filmmaker Nick Nanton has spent his career telling extraordinary stories, working with people like Dolly Parton, Bruce Springsteen, Post Malone, and Tony Robbins.

But in this episode of Quick Before You Forget, Nick shares something he calls potentially the most important thing he'll say:

“You are the sum of the stories you believe about your past, your present, and your future.” Here's where it gets personal.

In my previous episode, Patient Zero, I explored those exact three things: my past, my present, and my future. The experiences that shaped me, the beliefs I'm learning to question, and the person I'm becoming.

And then Nick sat down with me and, without realizing it, reflected so much of that journey right back at me. What followed was an unexpectedly emotional conversation about creativity, ADHD, overcoming self-doubt, finding purpose, redefining success, and building a life that actually feels meaningful.

We explore why your perceived weaknesses might be your greatest gifts, why rejection doesn't always mean no, and why even the most accomplished people can spend their lives chasing a finish line that keeps moving.

Nick shares lessons from his upcoming book Creativity Protects You, his work with extraordinary people, his songwriting experiences, and the personal boundaries that protect his family and relationships. And through it all, we return to one idea: You don't have to rewrite your past. But you can change how you understand it, what you believe about yourself today, and what becomes possible tomorrow.

I lost count of how many of my own mantras, values, and beliefs were reflected back at me in this conversation.

I finished this recording with Nick Nanton breathless. And speechless.

Life happens ✨ for ✨ you, not to you. God is good. And the future is bright. 🕯️

Watch the full episode and tell me in the comments: What's one story about yourself you're ready to believe differently?

Subscribe to Quick Before You Forget for meaningful conversations about courage, connection, creativity, purpose, and remembering who you are while becoming who you're meant to be.

Meaningful Moments

00:00 The Stories You Believe Shape Who You Become
00:35 Meet Nick Nanton: Creativity, Hope & Opportunity
01:10 Creativity Protects You: Finding Your Superpower
06:40 Rewriting What You Believe About Yourself
08:05 Past, Present & Future: The Stories That Define You
09:00 Reprocessing Your Past and Giving Yourself Grace
10:40 How to Believe in a Brighter Future
13:00 One Adventure a Week: Creating a Life You Love
15:00 Why Serving Others Creates Opportunity
18:10 Courage Means Feeling the Fear Anyway
21:00 Roller Coasters, Taylor Swift & Choosing Excitement Over Fear
23:00 Creativity Is More Than Art: Turning Obstacles Into Options
24:40 When Rejection Becomes Redirection
29:50 What Most People Get Wrong About Success
30:45 Beautiful Hell: Why Making It Never Feels Like Enough
33:00 Stop Moving the Goalposts and Celebrate Your Wins
35:30 The Power of Music: Andrew McMahon & Max McNown
37:15 How Songwriting Teaches Us to Feel and Connect
41:40 Fight for the Best Song, Not Your Own Idea
43:00 The Secret to Meaningful Interviews and Conversations
45:00 When the Right Message Finds You at the Right Time
47:45 Your Message Matters More Than Your Ego
49:00 Protecting What Matters While Pursuing Success
51:05 What Makes Nick Nanton Feel Seen?
53:45 Nick's Message to the World: Life Happens for You
55:15 What's Next for Nick and Creativity Protects You
56:55 Final Thoughts & A Message to the Ground Crew

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Patient Zero solo episode: https://youtu.be/OZzY8h3Vnkc?si=cdCpFwxAW3Vrkk56

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You are the sum of the stories you believe about

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your past, your present and your future. So that's who

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you are right now. The person you show up as

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today is the sum of the stories you believe about

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your past, your present and your future.

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Friends, I am so excited to have Nick Nanton with

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me today. Hello, Nick, and welcome.

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Thanks. Glad to be here. Yay.

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So guys, I could introduce you to Nick as a

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fellow that's won 24 Emmys, and he's produced over 75 documentaries.

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He's talked with some pretty incredible people like Dolly Parton,

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Bruce Springsteen, Post Malone. You could list them all. They're

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not going to do that. I'm going to focus on

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Nick the human who has this thread in all of

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these incredible things he's done. And the thread is hope.

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The thread is this opportunity, not an obstacle. And I'd

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like to start there because there's this, there's this little

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Nick that I picture all these years ago who embraced

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the idea, this crazy idea that creativity could help you

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find opportunity instead of obstacles. So let's start there, Nick.

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Are you good with that?

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Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Happy to start there. You know,

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I don't, um, obviously I'm, lots of life feels like

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therapy and that's good for everybody probably. But like, you know,

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I never realized until recently I'm, I'm writing a new

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book almost done called creativity protects you. And it's how

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to find options where everyone else sees obstacles. And I

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didn't realize that was a superpower in a way. I mean,

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I sort of hate that word because it's overused, but

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it's sort of a, I didn't realize it was a

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skillset that I had honed over the years because most

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of the time when I had to do it other

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than inside of my business, uh, I was made to

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feel guilty about it because I wasn't operating like all

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of the other little ducklings in school or whatever it was, right?

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So we're born with these amazing skill sets, like God

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gives us these gifts. And I'm not knocking the school system.

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I think it's a little outdated, but I don't have

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a better solution at the moment. So I'm not gonna

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go there. But I understand how from kindergarten to 18,

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there's someone in charge of a classroom and it's usually

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15 to 30 something children. And I understand that like,

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that system is made, it's a factory system. It's made

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that like the cogs and the wheels and the toothpaste

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caps got it. And like it is created for the average, right?

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It's not created for the superb or on either side

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of that sort of bell curve, right? And so the

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first thing I think I want to acknowledge, I'm sure

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there's many people who are watching and listening to this

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who probably haven't gone back and reprocessed these things, which again,

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I really hadn't. Until I had to start thinking through

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this process and it was like, oh, you know what?

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listens to me. Like I have ADHD. Great. I mean,

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I think a lot of people do anyway, but whatever,

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but I have lots of energy. Uh, yeah, I have all,

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all the things. And you know, so when I, number one,

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sometimes people feel like I'm rushing them through a conversation.

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I'm not, I'm hanging on like a cat on a wire.

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and I'll just blah, blah, blah. And they're like, yeah,

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I'm like, okay, I got it. And keep going. But

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so like, but like, and if you ask me to

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do something, I'll be like, awesome. No problem. Talk to

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you later. And like basically hang up people. I think

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some people like, wait, the conversation's over. Like if you

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want me to do it, if I don't do it now,

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it's not going to happen. So like, I'm going to

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hang up and I'm going to go do it. So

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I mean, those are sort of like some quirks with

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me that people who work with me have learned that like, it's,

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I'm friendly about it. I'm not mean to be rude

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and I'm not trying to cut you off or hurt you.

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I'm just like, can I make it?

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focus on things and I can only do it for

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a math test in any schooling or some tests like that,

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my test in like 11 minutes or whatever. And we

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might have an hour and a half or I finished

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my first law school exam, uh, I think in 29

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so like, I would get sent back to my desk,

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you know, I'm at your school, middle school, high school, like, Hey,

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you can't be done with this test yet. Like you

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got it. You need to check your answers. And part

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of what they were saying is like, part of them

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was trying to help me. Like, there's no way you

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could do this as fast when no one else is

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this fast. And number two, um, I can't have you

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done with this yet because I don't have anything for

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you to do. And you got to be quiet and

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all the things that ADHD people don't like to, you

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got to be quiet, sit still, like whatever. And so

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back and I would redo it. And I changed my answer.

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I get most of them wrong because my brain was

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done with that. Now I didn't always get them a

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hundred percent correct, but like I got A's in school

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and I did well in school. It's funny. I tell

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that story in my new book, that law school exam

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was my first law school exam. My friend was like, dude,

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are you quitting? Like, he's like, I'm like, no, no,

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I just finished. Like, how'd you, he's like on page

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one or whatever. I'm like, I just, it's all, it's

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what I did. So the professor, I got a D

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plus in that class. And I know it is because

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the professor was not happy that I finished that quickly,

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but it's just my hyper focus. But so I took

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him again because I wasn't going to let him beat me.

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open book. A lot of law schools open book. I

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opened the book. And I'm like, I don't know what

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this question is. So I'm like, it sort of sounds

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like this. I go to the back. I find a case.

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I read the case. I read his question. I read

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the case. I read his case. I'm like, oh, he

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put the same exact case on there with different names.

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So I took the rest of the time and I

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copied the entire judge's opinion and just changed the names

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and I got an A. And so I ended up

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winning with that professor. But my whole point being, like

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I was made to feel guilty about the fact that

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that was something, it was just the way my brain worked.

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And again, I didn't, it wasn't perfect. Sometimes I'd finish

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in 12 minutes and I didn't know anything and whatever.

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But my point being, I really never realized I felt

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guilty about it in a way until like maybe a

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year ago when I was like, man, that was weird.

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You know, it was just sort of a, you know,

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that was a weird time, but it was, you know,

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we have these gifts we've been given and because of

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the way the system is set up, we often can't

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exercise those or, and we're often not encouraged in them. Now,

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Like everybody else, I had a few people on the way,

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a few teachers in an enrichment class here or an

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acting class or whatever who were like, keep going, Nick. Yeah,

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that's really cool. Be you. But that was few and

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far between compared to the other feedback I would get. Wow.

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I love your energy so much because same. ADHD, yes. Also,

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just all of the things. Yes, I wrote down so

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many notes because– you have spent your life learning from

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other people, but it sounds like this book has taken

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you inside you. Like it sounds like you have had

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a chance to kind of learn about you. So given,

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given that and like out of respect for that, because

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that's important and you know, you're getting to the heart

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and soul of everything that you've done with your life,

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which is super impressive, amazing, like check, check, checks all

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the boxes kind of life. And yeah, you're like learning

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about your own story through this book process, which is

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so stinking cool to me. So like you, knowing that

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you've spent your life learning and growing from all these

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other people's stories, what have these stories taught you about

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your own?

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Yeah. So first of all, I thought I hated learning.

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I really did. Cause I, cause it meant that to me,

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it meant sitting at a desk for eight hours a

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day and shut up, you know? And that's like what

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most learning is, but I realized like I'm addicted to learning, but,

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but now I get to learn on a weekly basis,

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at least like from the best in the world. And

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I'm like super curious about that stuff. And so, first

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of all, I was able to reframe, you know, a

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paradigm for myself. And I think it's important that all

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of us, like, again, it doesn't just, I mean, it

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hit me like a brick probably 40 years later than

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I wish it had, because I'm not very smart, but

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it's like, you know, I think it's really important that

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people sort of like start questioning, like, Why do I

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feel that way about something? Because we have, I will

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say this, we are all today, right now, you sitting there,

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everyone listening, and this may be the most important thing

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I say, you are the sum of the stories you

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believe about your past, your present, and your future. So

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that's who you are right now. The person you show

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up as today is the sum of the stories you

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believe about your past, your present, and your future. And

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a big problem with this is that most of us,

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because we've all failed, that's part of life. And part

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of it is because we're not good at it. Part

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of it is we should never have tried to do it, maybe.

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I mean, not that you shouldn't try things, but part

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of it is like, oh, I know I'd be bad

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at that. Why did I do that? Or why did

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I put myself in that situation to promise this to

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somebody when I can't do that? Or whatever, right? Or

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why didn't I seek out a partner to help me

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with that? I mean, all the things I think we're

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supposed to learn in life, and thankfully, most of them

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are not catastrophic. Right. But so I think it's really

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important that we go back and it's not that we,

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I don't want you to rewrite your past because to me,

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that's like, um, that's a whole other level of like oppression. Right.

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But like, I want you to reprocess your past because clearly, um,

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when you make a big mistake, most of us learn

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from it. And so the question is like, are you

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feeling guilty about it? Or are you giving yourself grace

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to like, man, I made that decision. Wasn't the best decision,

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but I'm never going to do it again. And here's

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what I learned from it. Like, what a way to

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stop feeling, because if we don't process that stuff, and

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I know my brother's a psychiatrist, he could tell you

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way more about this, but I do understand the fact

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that if we don't process these things and we just constantly,

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when we just leave a negative feeling in our minds

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think of like every negative experience you don't reprocess sounds

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like another screen that's put in front of it. And

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taken the opportunity to reprocess these and go, oh, I

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learned from that I can remove that screen now. I

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don't have to protect myself from that anymore because I

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now I got the lesson I was supposed to get. Now, also,

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every time I do a podcast, they decide to do

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my lawn. So you may hear a lawn blower outside.

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control it. So that's that.

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because guys, if you're not watching, you got to go

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to YouTube and watch this video because first of all,

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and it made me get curious because You talked about

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how the past, present, and future are the sum and

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add up to who you are right now. So we

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can reframe and work through together the past and a

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little bit of the present. But how do you do

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that with something that you can't see in the future?

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Dan Sullivan, the founder of Strategic Coach. And Dan Sullivan

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the same thing. When he says, when you run out

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of purpose before you run out of money, you have

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a real problem. And so we see that a lot

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with younger stars and people who, you know, who finally

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break through and make a lot of money and they

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can find themselves in a world of trouble because if

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money is not your biggest problem, the other ones are

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usually way worse, right? So there's that. And then he

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feel like your future is brighter than your past, it

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can cause depression and all sorts of other things. Again,

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veterans and my documentary and stuff like that. I could

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understand that if a veteran, because a lot of times

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the military unceremoniously decides that you're done. Like you don't

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get to decide. They're just like, oh, we're done with you.

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to spend my life serving and now you're not letting me.

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as that was. I could understand how that would lead

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need to do with our future is we need to,

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we You need to have big enough dreams that we're

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excited about tomorrow. You know, like me, I'm a really

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simple person. So still today, my favorite subjects are basically

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PE and lunch. Right. Like that's now it's dinner, too,

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with drinks and stuff. Right. But it's like I go

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through I enjoy every day. But like I like schedule

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my day around like my five mile run in the morning.

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hang out with my friends who runs with me. I'm

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going to go through, I'm going to do the work

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I got to do. And I'm, you know, and, and even,

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you know, I'm gonna do the interviews. I'm a, but

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I can't wait to get to lunch. Cause then I

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get to like the relaxed social time that I can

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have with my friends or my crew or my family, whatever.

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I'm gonna do what I got to do in the afternoon.

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I got to find a way, like, what am I

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excited about next? And like, that's like how my lizard

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brain works. So like, you know, I'm going through this

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week and like one of my rules is one adventure

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a week. I need one adventure a week to be happy.

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turns out like this week I'm speaking at, I went

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to University of Florida and I'm speaking at the homecoming

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banquet tomorrow night for leadership organization with some politicians. I'm

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not a politician, but it should be interesting. And it's

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a big deal. So I'm going to go there and

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back tomorrow. Next week, my adventure is my bourbon company,

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the Chris Voss, we're hosting a big event for our

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members in Austin. So like I do, I only travel

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seven nights a month because that's a rule my wife

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and I made over a decade ago to keep our

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relationship with her and my kids healthy. It makes me

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make better decisions. But like I, so I've got, I've

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got some guardrails. You can't win a game that you

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don't know the rules to, right? And most of us

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are playing a game that we're uncertain how you win.

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they sound funny and no one else gets them. So

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seven nights a month and I need one adventure a week.

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So what do I got to do to get one

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adventure a week? So I always have something to look

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forward to. And that's just how I operate to make

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sure my future is brighter than my past. If I

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looked at it from a macro level in the last

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two years, you mentioned some names, but they're, they're fun.

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And like, Dolly Parton, Kris Jenner, Post Malone, Mariah Carey,

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Jon Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, Paul Simon, Keith Richards. Like,

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I don't know that I can ever beat that. Like,

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I really don't. Like, I mean, like, number one, I

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will never beat a Dolly Parton interview. Like, as a songwriter,

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number one of all time, she wrote Jolene and I

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Will Always Love You by herself on the same day. Like,

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I cannot beat this. However, like, there are other things

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I can look forward to. There are other things that

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are exciting. And, okay, maybe I'm never going to have

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one more documentary that has that many musicians and songwriters

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in it. But I'm now working on a documentary on

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veterans of post-traumatic stress, troubled youth, and foster kids, and

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equine therapy. Like, what could I learn about horses? I

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don't know a lot about horses, but they're fascinating animals. Like, oh,

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we're going to go to film at a ranch, or

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we're going to do some horseback riding. That sounds fun.

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So it's just like, what can you find to be

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excited about? And if it's nothing, again, I do not understand.

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I'm just saying this honestly. I don't understand clinical depression,

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clinical anxiety. It's not I don't, I'm not a doctor.

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I don't know what I'm doing. So, but I would

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think just with general feelings of, you know, of non-clinical

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sadness or whatever, like I would imagine you could probably

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find a way to find something to be excited about.

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And if you can't, by the way, find an organization

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and go serve someone. It will change your brain chemistry overnight.

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When you start showing up and serving, opportunity will abound.

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If you do not know what to do next in

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your life, in your business, find somewhere and go serve

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and your brain will fix it. And eventually, if you

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keep showing up and serving, someone will be like, man, like,

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how can I help you? And the opportunity that will

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come from that and the joy you will get from it,

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because I believe we were created to serve other people.

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to be excited about. And by the way, you may

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be in a job, you may be in a relationship

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or something that's not healthy, that's not serving you. I don't,

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you know, I personally don't believe in, you know, cutting

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the cord on a marriage because, you know, just because

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you're not happy. I think there's a lot of things

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you got to go through first. Again, abusive relationships, different story.

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what could I be doing better and different? I think

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is the most important question we got to ask and

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maybe get some other people's feedback, including the person who,

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you know, who is maybe unhappy with you. But from there, like, okay, great.

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So let me get an honest assessment. Let me assess

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it myself and see if I completely agree or disagree.

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If you're completely wrong, your life will continue to go

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wrong over and over again because you don't have any self-awareness.

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Great skill. We all need it, but you'll hopefully eventually learn.

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But like, yeah, what do we need to do to

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figure out like, okay, if I'm in a job that

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is just not serving me and my family right now,

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I'm not telling you to go quit it right now

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because you probably need income and some other things. But like,

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what could I do on a daily basis to start

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moving towards the thing that I really am called to do? And,

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you know, I speak at a lot of universities and

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stuff over the years and people are like, what's your

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best piece of advice? I'm like, Well, most of the time,

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it's like whatever you want to do the rest of

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your life, if you haven't already started, you're behind everyone

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else who's, I think in education is massively important, but

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there's a lot of other people who just skipped that

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and went to the thing. And if you just sat

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here and waited for this education to be over, and

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then you're going to start the thing, you're going to

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be way behind and you're probably not going to know

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what to do. So while you have the most unrealistic,

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most of us have the most unrealistic income expectations of

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our life when we're in like college or whatever. And

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there's student loans available. I'm not saying to overuse them,

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but like that's available. It's like, you're probably going to

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have to make the least amount of money that you're

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ever going to have to make in your life. Like

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you should be experimenting. You should be volunteering. You should

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be interning. Like, yeah, there's never a time in your

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life you're not going to feel busy. So, but just

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do it because every day you wait, you're behind. And

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so that's one of the ways that if you feel

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trapped right now, like start taking, you cannot convince me

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you don't have 20 minutes here, 10 minutes there. to

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start exploring what your future might be like if you

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were to start making a change.

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Well, I hear curiosity and courage there. Both of those

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play a huge role in building yourself a bigger life.

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Curiosity and courage, both of those.

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And courage, by the way, never feels fun. Again, Dan

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Sullivan said, courage is when you pee your pants and

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you do it anyway. So it's not fun. Courage is

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never fun. Courage is like... should I do this? And

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your body will often tell you, like, you know, when

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you sign your first mortgage, when you buy a car,

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like a lot, there's a lot of other things, but

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like financial and like your body will tell you like, oh,

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this is a big deal. Like you should listen to it.

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And it, it, you know, I find myself again, not

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clinical anxiety, but we all get anxious about things.

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And we do. And sometimes I'll like, I'll be like,

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I am, I'm, I am a emotional neophyte still. Like

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I'm learning my emotions.

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I think we all are in a lot of ways,

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but I've learned now, like if I'm like, sometimes we're like, man,

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why do I feel this way? Like I feel all

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of a sudden I feel anxious or off or not

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happy or like what? And I'll, cause I have ADHD.

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Like I could have read an email or a text

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or something 30 seconds ago and just completely forgotten about it.

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But I still feel the feeling cause my body remembers it.

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My mind remembers like, but I, but it's not in

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my consciousness. So like I go back and like most

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of the time I'm like, I don't remember what it was,

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but let me retrace my steps. Let me go re-scroll

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that page. And I'm like, Oh, I'll see an ad

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that has nothing to do like, oh, that, okay. Oh,

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00:19:43.549 --> 00:19:45.269
this person sent me a text that was a little

444
00:19:45.289 --> 00:19:47.369
bit like, I don't know what to do with it. Okay.

445
00:19:47.390 --> 00:19:49.730
So what do I need to do now to process this?

446
00:19:50.140 --> 00:19:53.140
deal with this, and realize, like, did I do something wrong? Oh,

447
00:19:53.180 --> 00:19:55.019
is it not me? It's just them? Okay, now I

448
00:19:55.059 --> 00:19:57.509
can move on. But I've started to realize, like, if

449
00:19:57.700 --> 00:20:00.450
I feel off, let me stop and figure out, like,

450
00:20:00.549 --> 00:20:03.410
what is causing this? Oh, did I make a bad decision?

451
00:20:03.750 --> 00:20:06.029
Did I not give someone the time of day that

452
00:20:06.269 --> 00:20:09.349
they deserve? Did I, you know, did I, interrupt someone

453
00:20:09.369 --> 00:20:10.529
too quick. Did I get off the phone with my

454
00:20:10.569 --> 00:20:12.470
wife too fast? Like, what did I do? Let me go,

455
00:20:12.569 --> 00:20:14.390
let me go re-deal with that real quick and come back.

456
00:20:14.750 --> 00:20:16.420
And it allows me to be a lot more productive

457
00:20:16.460 --> 00:20:18.779
than just, again, stacking these things on top of each

458
00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.680
other and not realizing, like, if I keep operating like

459
00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:23.779
that the rest of the day, my emails might be

460
00:20:23.859 --> 00:20:25.859
short or my, you know, or I might not make

461
00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.730
a call about something I've been dreaming about because I

462
00:20:28.789 --> 00:20:30.730
feel in a state of scarcity. I don't feel in

463
00:20:30.769 --> 00:20:33.410
a state of abundance and creativity. So I'm never going

464
00:20:33.430 --> 00:20:36.529
to call someone, cold call someone or cold email someone

465
00:20:36.549 --> 00:20:38.720
like about, This thing I've been thinking about that could

466
00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.160
be really cool. So I don't know. Those are just

467
00:20:41.180 --> 00:20:42.240
a few things I think about.

468
00:20:42.940 --> 00:20:46.109
Just a few things that are super in line and

469
00:20:46.190 --> 00:20:48.369
everything I practice here on the show. One of the

470
00:20:48.410 --> 00:20:50.829
things I talk about a lot, Nick, is how our

471
00:20:50.890 --> 00:20:53.930
body keeps the score, right? Like Bessel van der Kolk

472
00:20:53.950 --> 00:20:56.579
wrote that amazing book. And it's so true. Your body

473
00:20:56.619 --> 00:20:59.319
was remembering that your tech, that text message came in

474
00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:01.220
and you needed to do something with it. You needed

475
00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.849
to process it to move on with your day. Just

476
00:21:03.910 --> 00:21:07.460
like I believe that chemically, that feeling that we have,

477
00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:11.640
that nervousness, that anxiety, that butterfly feeling. I have it

478
00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.400
right now, by the way, talking to you because I'm

479
00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.029
so energized and I'm so nervous is the wrong word,

480
00:21:18.049 --> 00:21:20.549
but I'm doing it anyway. And I'm excited to be

481
00:21:20.589 --> 00:21:23.009
doing it and grateful to be doing it and feeling

482
00:21:23.049 --> 00:21:25.769
the feeling that I practice on roller coasters. I don't

483
00:21:25.789 --> 00:21:27.849
know if you follow or know anything about my roller

484
00:21:27.869 --> 00:21:32.220
coaster videos, but I've been posting roller coaster videos, synced

485
00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:36.029
fairly well. Taylor Swift bridges for the last few months.

486
00:21:36.630 --> 00:21:40.470
And we're talking about 10 million views over the course

487
00:21:40.509 --> 00:21:43.470
of the last 90 days. And I've embodied this emo

488
00:21:43.569 --> 00:21:47.829
rollercoaster gal persona, because I believe that the world could

489
00:21:47.869 --> 00:21:50.609
be better off. We could all do better because I

490
00:21:50.650 --> 00:21:52.710
believe in the healing power of music, first of all,

491
00:21:52.779 --> 00:21:56.859
but also understanding and leaning in to what you're saying

492
00:21:57.339 --> 00:22:01.119
about feeling the fear and recognizing that your body is

493
00:22:01.220 --> 00:22:04.000
trying to protect you from something, right? Like my body's saying,

494
00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.640
do not go on that roller coaster. You are about

495
00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:09.500
to die dead, right? And then my mind goes, nope,

496
00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.769
but I can be excited about it. I can enjoy it.

497
00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:14.289
I can heal from things that I don't talk about

498
00:22:14.450 --> 00:22:16.509
on this dang roller coaster. So I'm going to do

499
00:22:16.589 --> 00:22:18.230
it and I'm going to inspire other people to do

500
00:22:18.269 --> 00:22:22.349
the same. So by showing up and by choosing to be,

501
00:22:22.450 --> 00:22:25.750
to feel those feelings, you are choosing that icky courage

502
00:22:26.130 --> 00:22:29.130
that we talked about, which is just really cool. And

503
00:22:29.150 --> 00:22:32.500
something I want to lean into further because curiosity and

504
00:22:32.539 --> 00:22:37.259
courage we talk about, but also creativity is a huge

505
00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.380
part of how you've built your life. And it's the

506
00:22:41.420 --> 00:22:44.680
book that you're working on. And it's so fundamental to

507
00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:49.839
seeing obstacles as opportunities. So I'm guessing there's a lot

508
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.640
and I'm sure that it's fairly fresh probably because you're

509
00:22:52.660 --> 00:22:54.819
working on this book, but can you talk us through

510
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:59.220
an example of a time that's maybe relatable or could

511
00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:02.569
help other people of a time that you actively chose

512
00:23:03.049 --> 00:23:07.170
to have something be an opportunity that felt in the

513
00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:08.390
moment like an obstacle?

514
00:23:08.410 --> 00:23:12.210
Yeah, I can absolutely go through one. I'd also say

515
00:23:12.230 --> 00:23:14.009
one of the things I'm trying to do with this

516
00:23:14.250 --> 00:23:18.799
book is to slightly change the conversation on creativity because

517
00:23:18.819 --> 00:23:22.019
I think so many people just, creativity think, so the

518
00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:23.819
amount of times I've heard people who hear what I

519
00:23:23.859 --> 00:23:27.369
do and say, oh, I'm not creative like you. I'm like, well,

520
00:23:27.380 --> 00:23:28.710
you might not be like me, but that doesn't mean

521
00:23:28.730 --> 00:23:31.890
you're not creative. Like creativity isn't just painting or drawing

522
00:23:31.950 --> 00:23:34.809
or making movies or writing music or like, to me,

523
00:23:34.829 --> 00:23:38.910
I think creativity is finding options where everyone else finds obstacles.

524
00:23:38.970 --> 00:23:42.400
So there's creativity in math in the right way. There's

525
00:23:42.420 --> 00:23:45.619
creativity in science. I mean, people who make breakthroughs and

526
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:48.329
win the Nobel Prize, that's, it's create, it's creative. And

527
00:23:48.349 --> 00:23:51.529
it could have just been doing the next thing that

528
00:23:51.609 --> 00:23:54.029
hasn't been done before, has been done before, but it's like, well,

529
00:23:54.069 --> 00:23:56.589
that's an option. Okay. Well, that's an option. Well, that's

530
00:23:56.609 --> 00:23:58.150
an option. And so whenever you hit a dead end,

531
00:23:58.450 --> 00:24:01.210
the question is like, okay, what are my options? And

532
00:24:01.269 --> 00:24:04.869
so I think due to all the deficiencies that I have,

533
00:24:05.069 --> 00:24:07.630
it happened a lot for me in life. So now

534
00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:10.529
I don't really, there's very few things I see as

535
00:24:10.589 --> 00:24:13.289
a true dead end or a no to me. No

536
00:24:13.349 --> 00:24:16.150
means not now. In most of the cases, like So, okay,

537
00:24:16.170 --> 00:24:18.529
so like, what are my other options? Because part of

538
00:24:18.569 --> 00:24:21.369
it is like, I'm so driven and determined and I

539
00:24:21.529 --> 00:24:23.619
so much wanted to succeed in life and prove to

540
00:24:23.630 --> 00:24:26.099
the world I could be somebody and all the things

541
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:28.519
that we all struggle with in our own, whatever your

542
00:24:28.539 --> 00:24:31.359
struggles are with yourself, the one universal struggle we all

543
00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:33.339
have is with ourselves, right? So what are we trying

544
00:24:33.380 --> 00:24:35.759
to prove to ourselves? And so, you know, some of

545
00:24:35.779 --> 00:24:38.599
that was mine. And so, you know, for instance, I

546
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.299
was working with a very famous person and they told me,

547
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:44.490
I said, well, what do you wanna do next? And

548
00:24:44.529 --> 00:24:46.549
they made a joke because they were not the youngest

549
00:24:46.970 --> 00:24:49.170
spring chicken. And other than wanting to wake up the

550
00:24:49.230 --> 00:24:51.970
next day, they said, they said, well, I want to,

551
00:24:52.509 --> 00:24:54.319
I really would love to do a one, one man

552
00:24:54.339 --> 00:24:56.220
show on Broadway. So I was like, okay, just check.

553
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:57.200
Let me put that in the back of my mind.

554
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.059
And so I knew some people who had done some

555
00:25:00.099 --> 00:25:02.119
Broadway things. And so I sort of explored and I

556
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.279
figured out a way that I could put this person

557
00:25:04.819 --> 00:25:07.380
on Broadway one night only. I had some friends willing

558
00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:09.150
to support it. We could pull it off. And I

559
00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:11.829
went to the person. I said, okay, awesome. Speak with

560
00:25:11.849 --> 00:25:14.720
my family member who's done Broadway before and And just,

561
00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:17.779
you know, sort of like he was having his family

562
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:20.099
member like vet it for him. And I'm like, well,

563
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:21.200
I don't know if this is going to go well

564
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.660
because like, I'm sure. And this person happened to work

565
00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:25.500
on Broadway and like a very big show. And like,

566
00:25:25.900 --> 00:25:29.160
I'm like a bootstrap strap scrappy dude trying to make

567
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.119
your family member's dream come true. Who's famous. And you're

568
00:25:32.180 --> 00:25:36.940
this like story Broadway producer with unlimited funds and you

569
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.700
don't know me from Adam. So your only job really

570
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:40.500
in this conversation is to make sure you don't screw

571
00:25:40.539 --> 00:25:42.869
your family member. And you don't know me from Adam.

572
00:25:42.890 --> 00:25:45.130
And so basically I told him, here's how I raise

573
00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:47.029
the money, here's how I do it. And I don't

574
00:25:47.049 --> 00:25:49.150
remember exactly what this person said, but this is what

575
00:25:49.170 --> 00:25:51.650
I heard and I know it's very close. It basically said,

576
00:25:51.670 --> 00:25:54.890
you know, Nick, you're either one of the smartest people

577
00:25:54.950 --> 00:25:57.500
I've ever met or one of the biggest hucksters I've

578
00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:00.299
ever heard. And I've met an awful lot of smart people.

579
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.460
I mean, it's something very, very close to that. So like,

580
00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:04.359
first of all, I'm like, well, this person is not

581
00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:06.339
a nice person. There are many other ways one might

582
00:26:06.380 --> 00:26:12.190
have phrased this. However, let me No, he did not. Yeah, right.

583
00:26:12.450 --> 00:26:14.779
I could not help but feel like a loser in

584
00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:17.319
the moment, right? Like, oh my God, am I a

585
00:26:17.339 --> 00:26:19.900
terrible human being? Just because first thing you should do

586
00:26:19.940 --> 00:26:22.559
is ask. And then over the course of a little

587
00:26:22.579 --> 00:26:24.440
while after we hung up, I'm like, well, okay, it's

588
00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:26.839
not me. I'm not here to rip anybody off. I've

589
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.789
done this way of funding and financing and had lots

590
00:26:29.829 --> 00:26:31.990
of success with it. This guy's probably just trying to

591
00:26:32.009 --> 00:26:35.529
protect his family members. So now what? Now that I've

592
00:26:35.589 --> 00:26:37.890
figured this out, I want to try it. So I

593
00:26:37.930 --> 00:26:40.150
called this person back and said, hey, look, um, it

594
00:26:40.170 --> 00:26:41.410
was going to be, uh, I was going to put

595
00:26:41.450 --> 00:26:43.549
it on, raise the money, do it and, and, and

596
00:26:43.589 --> 00:26:46.009
split profits. If there were any with this person said,

597
00:26:46.049 --> 00:26:48.769
but number one is making your dream come true. You

598
00:26:48.809 --> 00:26:50.250
told me that's what you wanted to do left in

599
00:26:50.289 --> 00:26:53.759
your life and you've done everything. And, um, if we

600
00:26:53.779 --> 00:26:55.960
make money, we'll just split it. And so I just

601
00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:58.789
called him and said, Hey, look, um, I am friends

602
00:26:58.809 --> 00:27:01.470
with Rudy Ruediger of the movie Rudy. I did his documentary.

603
00:27:01.809 --> 00:27:03.349
And I think Rudy would be great at this too.

604
00:27:03.390 --> 00:27:05.650
So how about I put Rudy on Broadway and then

605
00:27:05.670 --> 00:27:08.509
I'll just show you. I said, I think your family

606
00:27:08.549 --> 00:27:10.730
was trying to protect you. I respect that. How about

607
00:27:10.750 --> 00:27:12.190
I just do it and just show you the numbers

608
00:27:12.269 --> 00:27:13.349
and you can decide if you want to do it

609
00:27:13.369 --> 00:27:14.930
or not. I can show you the output, the product.

610
00:27:14.950 --> 00:27:17.880
You can come to the show, whatever. And so we

611
00:27:17.900 --> 00:27:22.220
did with Rudy. We sold it out. We got nominated

612
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:23.920
for an Emmy because we filmed it. We had a

613
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:26.900
great time. A lot of my clients became Broadway producers

614
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:29.079
because they wanted to support it. And we sold out

615
00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:30.579
in that night, like 13 minutes or something like that.

616
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.549
And we had a blast. Unfortunately, the other person ended

617
00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:36.029
up passing away not too long after that. But I

618
00:27:36.089 --> 00:27:38.329
was able to say, OK, let me find an option.

619
00:27:38.690 --> 00:27:41.289
Then since then, I put Rudy on Broadway. I put

620
00:27:41.569 --> 00:27:44.289
Lisa Nichols on Broadway. I put Chris Voss on Broadway.

621
00:27:44.309 --> 00:27:45.710
I don't know that I'm going to do it again.

622
00:27:45.730 --> 00:27:47.529
It will almost take your life from you. But I

623
00:27:48.410 --> 00:27:51.789
was able to process that and go, OK, this is

624
00:27:51.849 --> 00:27:53.990
a dead end. Like at least for this is definitely

625
00:27:54.049 --> 00:27:57.609
a not now. Like for sure not now. So what

626
00:27:58.089 --> 00:28:00.109
are my options? They go, you know what? I bet

627
00:28:00.150 --> 00:28:02.079
you Rudy would love to do this. Let's go to Rudy.

628
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:03.710
Let's talk about doing that. And we did it. We

629
00:28:03.730 --> 00:28:05.319
had a blast and you can watch it on Amazon

630
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.880
Prime today. And so, you know, that's one instance where

631
00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:12.059
not only was it a no from the family member,

632
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.319
it was like a rude no. It was like a

633
00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:18.420
jerk no, like an a-hole no, you know? And it

634
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.700
was like, oh, that doesn't feel good. But so what

635
00:28:22.740 --> 00:28:25.509
are my options? Like, And one of the questions is,

636
00:28:26.529 --> 00:28:29.130
should I be doing this at all? Should I be

637
00:28:29.170 --> 00:28:32.619
doing this right now? Is this feedback that this is

638
00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:36.119
a terrible idea or that I am doing something wrong

639
00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:39.319
I didn't realize? And the answer was no. I was

640
00:28:39.380 --> 00:28:42.160
doing things differently. He didn't know me, to be fair.

641
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.940
And you have to remember, too, in a place like Broadway,

642
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.180
like a storied institution like They don't really, the people

643
00:28:49.220 --> 00:28:52.819
who are established don't really love new people coming in

644
00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:54.839
and doing things in a different way that could disrupt

645
00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:58.940
what they're doing. But I had to try to non-emotionally,

646
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.799
I did not emotionally try to process that. Of course,

647
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:04.920
it was emotional at first. I mean, I remember where

648
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:06.839
I was, what I was working on, when I got

649
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.180
the call. I mean, I remember it. And clearly, I

650
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:11.140
remember basically what the guy said to me. And so

651
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.769
in any event, that's one example of that for you.

652
00:29:15.309 --> 00:29:19.119
You have worked with and interviewed some incredible humans, and

653
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.359
I'm unwell with the not now thing because I've done

654
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:27.099
some hard work on my own being more self-aware with

655
00:29:27.460 --> 00:29:30.000
the no not being a no, like being a not

656
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.660
now or not yet. Particularly, I feel like God's responding, right?

657
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:36.230
Like God is saying not yet, and you need to like,

658
00:29:36.390 --> 00:29:37.660
listen to that response.

659
00:29:37.900 --> 00:29:40.359
And I need you. And sometimes you have to become

660
00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:43.680
a bigger, better version of yourself to be prepared to

661
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:46.339
do that. And so thankfully, those are the times when

662
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.410
we didn't make the mistake. that we have to go

663
00:29:48.430 --> 00:29:51.390
back and reprocess that God's protecting us from ourselves. Right.

664
00:29:51.769 --> 00:29:55.789
God's protection, redirection. There's a quote about that too, but

665
00:29:56.910 --> 00:30:01.160
based on all these people, these humans, these, these interesting

666
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.240
humans that you've spent time with, I'm curious because a

667
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.940
lot of them are successful at such a level. Like

668
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.380
this guy wanted to do Broadway, but like, that was it. Like,

669
00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:11.880
where else can you go from there? You're already up here.

670
00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:12.609
Right. Yeah.

671
00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:17.450
What are people getting wrong about success? looking and talking

672
00:30:17.490 --> 00:30:19.630
with all these other people, like what are people not

673
00:30:19.710 --> 00:30:22.579
understanding right now about what it takes to be at,

674
00:30:22.779 --> 00:30:24.079
to operate and be successful?

675
00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:27.279
So I'll give it to you in, in the weirdest

676
00:30:27.380 --> 00:30:29.460
way possible, but I don't think, I don't think I

677
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.400
can beat it. Um, I, uh, I wrote a song

678
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.420
with a friend of mine who is Grammy nominated. Uh, he,

679
00:30:35.500 --> 00:30:38.059
he wrote the song girl going nowhere for Ashley McBride,

680
00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:40.180
which if you, if you have not listened to that,

681
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:44.000
stop everything after you finish this podcast and go to

682
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.799
YouTube and watch Ashley McBride, singing Girl Goin' Nowhere on

683
00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:50.460
the Opry stage for the first time. And so it's

684
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.539
one of the most incredible songs ever written. He also

685
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.920
just had his first number one with Scotty McCurry called

686
00:30:54.940 --> 00:30:57.490
Bottle Rockets and Hootie and the Bullfish and my friend

687
00:30:57.529 --> 00:31:00.390
Jeremy Bussey. And I write with him a lot. He's incredible.

688
00:31:00.829 --> 00:31:02.349
And so I had this idea for the song called

689
00:31:02.430 --> 00:31:05.009
Beautiful Hell because to me, that's what life is. Life

690
00:31:05.069 --> 00:31:08.019
is like this beautiful, like there's this torturous moments of

691
00:31:08.059 --> 00:31:10.880
like heartbreak and like, but it's beautiful, right? And in

692
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.259
the end, ideally the journey is beautiful. And so the...

693
00:31:14.930 --> 00:31:17.009
One of the lines in that song, I think will

694
00:31:17.049 --> 00:31:25.400
represent this the best. Basically, it's talking to your younger self, right?

695
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.539
It's sort of how the song is framed. And the

696
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:31.720
line is, I tell him when he makes it, he'll

697
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.380
still wonder if he will. And that hole inside him

698
00:31:34.420 --> 00:31:38.220
never will get filled. And so to me, that is

699
00:31:38.289 --> 00:31:42.210
the biggest thing about success. Because you never make it.

700
00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:45.019
There is no number. There's no number in your bank account.

701
00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:47.829
There's no number of awards. Like if you're keeping track

702
00:31:48.309 --> 00:31:51.309
by numbers, there is no number. There is no day

703
00:31:51.329 --> 00:31:53.609
where you wake up. There's days you can wake up proud.

704
00:31:53.650 --> 00:31:55.509
There's moments you can wake up proud. But most of us,

705
00:31:55.529 --> 00:31:58.089
when I interviewed Tony Robbins, I asked him for like,

706
00:31:58.410 --> 00:32:00.019
I asked him a question and he said something profound.

707
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.759
He goes, you know, Nick, the thing human beings desire,

708
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.380
one of the things they desire the most is progress.

709
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.240
Like we all, no matter until the day you die,

710
00:32:08.259 --> 00:32:12.529
you will be ideally desiring progress. That's what gives you hope.

711
00:32:12.829 --> 00:32:15.509
We get frustrated when we can't progress into something, right?

712
00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:18.049
Like we can't make that breakthrough. We can't learn that

713
00:32:18.130 --> 00:32:20.210
extra chord on the guitar. We can't sing that note

714
00:32:20.250 --> 00:32:22.589
we want to sing, or we can't write that paragraph

715
00:32:22.630 --> 00:32:24.210
the way we want to write it, whatever it is, right?

716
00:32:24.589 --> 00:32:27.480
And so the whole idea that we will ever make

717
00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:31.220
it is silly. And so part of the deal is like, yes, ideally,

718
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:33.900
like I eat better dinners than I used to, but

719
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.940
there's other better dinners out there. I travel better than

720
00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:40.529
I used to, but There's private jets still. And then

721
00:32:40.549 --> 00:32:42.069
when you have a private jet, like, oh, that guy

722
00:32:42.089 --> 00:32:43.690
has a bigger one. I would love to take more

723
00:32:43.750 --> 00:32:45.529
friends on my private jet. I wish I had that one, right?

724
00:32:45.910 --> 00:32:48.730
And so that hole inside you never does get filled.

725
00:32:48.809 --> 00:32:51.960
So to think that success is that is the most

726
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:57.200
hollowing thing possible. That's why people are genuinely unhappy when

727
00:32:57.220 --> 00:33:00.259
they spend all their time, they spend and waste all

728
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.269
their relationships, and they get to where they thought was

729
00:33:03.289 --> 00:33:06.569
going to fulfill them. And they realize that they ruined

730
00:33:06.650 --> 00:33:09.819
everything That would have made this fun. Right. And so

731
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.119
the idea that we're ever going to make it is

732
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.759
not going to happen there. Like you can be successful,

733
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.920
which is great. And I think you should you should

734
00:33:17.980 --> 00:33:21.980
celebrate your success regularly. That's the secret. It's like so look,

735
00:33:22.009 --> 00:33:23.690
we've all gotten the point where like, oh, if I

736
00:33:23.710 --> 00:33:26.789
could just make. six figures whatever it is if i

737
00:33:26.829 --> 00:33:30.009
could just sing that way if i and basically it

738
00:33:30.069 --> 00:33:33.130
never happens overnight like a lottery it never happens you

739
00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:35.170
basically do all this work and by the time you

740
00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:37.390
get to that goal you're like oh yeah anybody could

741
00:33:37.430 --> 00:33:38.670
do that you just got to do this this and

742
00:33:38.690 --> 00:33:40.670
this and so right before we get to that goal

743
00:33:40.690 --> 00:33:43.210
when we see it's about to happen it's inevitable you

744
00:33:43.250 --> 00:33:45.730
move the goal post so we continually move the goal

745
00:33:45.769 --> 00:33:48.950
post on ourselves to where we never make it to

746
00:33:48.970 --> 00:33:51.769
the because we keep moving the finish line right and

747
00:33:51.809 --> 00:33:53.890
so what i tell people at our bourbon events and

748
00:33:53.910 --> 00:33:56.819
my film is like hey look I love the fact

749
00:33:56.859 --> 00:33:58.240
that me and you are both out there in the

750
00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:01.799
world chasing excellence. We're out there chasing greatness. We're out

751
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:03.819
there trying to live an amazing life. We're out there

752
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.710
trying to serve people. And let's just call it what

753
00:34:06.750 --> 00:34:09.690
it is. We keep moving the goalposts on ourselves because

754
00:34:09.730 --> 00:34:11.929
we know we've got more in ourselves. Like, I love that.

755
00:34:12.269 --> 00:34:13.969
And I want you to do that again when you

756
00:34:14.030 --> 00:34:16.670
leave here. But for right now, you got in this room,

757
00:34:16.969 --> 00:34:19.969
you flew to this event because you're successful enough to

758
00:34:20.030 --> 00:34:22.980
do it. And so while you're with me, forget about

759
00:34:23.019 --> 00:34:25.559
that goalpost and just enjoy the fact that like, just

760
00:34:25.579 --> 00:34:27.559
take a deep breath and go, man, I made it here.

761
00:34:27.860 --> 00:34:29.239
And I'm with some really great people and I'm going

762
00:34:29.260 --> 00:34:31.980
to enjoy what's in front of me right now. That's

763
00:34:32.019 --> 00:34:33.679
what we need to do to feel successful. And we

764
00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:35.780
need to do it at home with our families. We

765
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.809
need to do it on vacation, even though sometimes we're stressed,

766
00:34:38.849 --> 00:34:40.610
like where's this money going to come from? Cause I'm

767
00:34:40.630 --> 00:34:43.090
not making any money. I'm just spending it, whatever. Right.

768
00:34:43.389 --> 00:34:48.489
And then also professionally, like we, we, we often don't

769
00:34:48.550 --> 00:34:51.179
take time to stop and enjoy the wins. And I

770
00:34:51.219 --> 00:34:53.820
believe I'm not great at, I'm not perfect at it either.

771
00:34:53.860 --> 00:34:55.510
I'm getting better, but like, if we could do that

772
00:34:55.550 --> 00:34:57.570
every day and just celebrate what the win is for today,

773
00:34:57.610 --> 00:34:59.739
like you will reprogram your brain and be a much

774
00:34:59.780 --> 00:35:02.440
happier person. I mean, that's, that's scientifically proven. I don't

775
00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:04.000
know where the science is, but I've heard it from

776
00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:06.420
a bunch of people I believe. Um, so I think

777
00:35:06.460 --> 00:35:11.289
that the biggest, um, the biggest misnomer, the biggest fallacy

778
00:35:11.329 --> 00:35:13.690
about success is that you reach it at some point.

779
00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:21.820
You have an energy that feels very familiar to me, Nick.

780
00:35:22.900 --> 00:35:25.949
I am that person who is like, you need to

781
00:35:26.010 --> 00:35:28.489
hear this song. Like you need to stop what you're

782
00:35:28.530 --> 00:35:31.329
doing and you need to go to YouTube. Like literally

783
00:35:31.369 --> 00:35:33.190
that is me. And so I'm going to do it

784
00:35:33.329 --> 00:35:36.929
back to you because understanding what you just said, I

785
00:35:37.230 --> 00:35:42.159
had literal full body chills the entire time you were

786
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.480
just speaking this. And this is why, and you will

787
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.079
feel it too when you listen to this song, Nick

788
00:35:47.579 --> 00:35:51.239
and friends. Okay. So I am a huge, I'm a

789
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:56.019
huge Swiftie. Andrew McMahon released a new song today called

790
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.429
She Paints Me Blue Strings Attached, which is a remix

791
00:35:59.590 --> 00:36:02.050
of a song from 20 years ago that adds violin.

792
00:36:02.170 --> 00:36:04.909
And I felt it with my body. And I know

793
00:36:04.969 --> 00:36:08.510
that not everybody feels music that way, but Nick and

794
00:36:08.739 --> 00:36:13.559
I do. And there's this song that embodies everything you

795
00:36:13.579 --> 00:36:16.690
just said. in different words from a different musician named

796
00:36:16.750 --> 00:36:19.329
Max McNown, who is this newer up and coming.

797
00:36:19.449 --> 00:36:21.230
Yeah. My friend plays guitar for Max. Yeah. Yeah.

798
00:36:21.309 --> 00:36:23.929
Oh goodness gracious. Well then of course, then you know,

799
00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:26.219
maybe you know the song, but the song is called

800
00:36:26.260 --> 00:36:29.619
the room and it ends. You need to listen. You

801
00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:32.099
need to listen because it's, it's everything you just said.

802
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:33.789
I'll take another. I won't do it.

803
00:36:34.019 --> 00:36:35.380
Okay. Yes. Write it down.

804
00:36:35.860 --> 00:36:36.000
Yeah.

805
00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:39.019
The room by Max McNown. It's an on his new album,

806
00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:43.090
leave on a light. And it's, it's a body tingle

807
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.139
brain tingle song.

808
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:45.300
All right. I'll check it out. Thank you.

809
00:36:45.489 --> 00:36:48.349
Um, because it ends with the line, sorry to spoiler alert,

810
00:36:48.650 --> 00:36:50.949
but it ends with the line or will I have

811
00:36:50.989 --> 00:36:54.650
built a life worth dying for? And when you said

812
00:36:54.730 --> 00:36:58.389
what you said, I was transported to that song. And

813
00:36:58.510 --> 00:37:03.590
isn't that cool? Like music is so cool and collective

814
00:37:03.929 --> 00:37:08.010
and emotional. And like, I, I, you're talking my language

815
00:37:09.070 --> 00:37:11.900
and it's like your roots and, Like we talked about

816
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:13.960
a lot of the stuff that we've done since, but

817
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.980
you've done music this whole time. Like you've been in

818
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:21.059
music and working in music and songwriting for a long time.

819
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.179
Yeah, I started playing guitar at six, started writing at

820
00:37:23.179 --> 00:37:26.099
15 or 16 and still do it, thankfully. Yeah, I

821
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:26.409
love it.

822
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.800
We love the music around here. So what has that,

823
00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:35.199
you know, that space of creativity done for your development

824
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.679
as a human? And like, how do you translate all

825
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:40.949
of these feelings and stuff into your songwriting?

826
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:46.079
Oh man, hard to answer because I've just, you know,

827
00:37:46.179 --> 00:37:48.480
in a lot of ways, I just kept taking, just

828
00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:51.079
kept walking through the next door that got an open

829
00:37:51.099 --> 00:37:53.199
door that I beat down and God allowed me to open.

830
00:37:53.900 --> 00:37:55.659
And so I've just been able to progress in it

831
00:37:55.699 --> 00:37:58.320
now for, I mean, been playing guitar now for 40

832
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:02.349
years and been writing for 25, almost 30, whatever. Yeah,

833
00:38:02.349 --> 00:38:06.329
30 plus. So number one, I think it's the thing

834
00:38:06.530 --> 00:38:09.889
I love the most about songwriting is that you're trying

835
00:38:09.909 --> 00:38:13.179
to make someone feel at least what I do with

836
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.340
my writers, like no matter whose point of view you're

837
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.179
writing from, trying to make someone feel the things the

838
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.909
way we feel them, right? And so in order to

839
00:38:19.969 --> 00:38:22.789
do that, you usually, that's right, I write a lot

840
00:38:22.809 --> 00:38:25.530
of country, you usually have to put someone in a

841
00:38:25.570 --> 00:38:28.269
scenario that they've either been in or they've been in

842
00:38:28.309 --> 00:38:33.130
a similar scenario and they understand it. So like, how

843
00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:39.159
would that feel? Like again, that same song, the first,

844
00:38:39.909 --> 00:38:41.480
a couple of lines, if I could tune this old

845
00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:44.739
guitar back to 17 to a dreamer on my mama's drive,

846
00:38:44.780 --> 00:38:47.809
about to turn that key, you know, it's like, oh, I, like, I,

847
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:51.320
I remember being 17 in my parents' driveway and trying

848
00:38:51.340 --> 00:38:53.440
to figure out what to do next. Or should I

849
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:56.199
call the girl? Should I go break up with her?

850
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.280
Should I make up with her? Should I, you know, what,

851
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.460
should I go to this thing? I don't want to

852
00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:02.320
go to, should I, you know, like whatever, right? We,

853
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.119
we like, it's visceral. We, we all feel that. And

854
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.409
so I love that. I also like, again, I, the guy,

855
00:39:10.250 --> 00:39:13.550
The guys and gals that I write with are all

856
00:39:14.949 --> 00:39:16.800
some of the most talented people I have ever met

857
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.960
in my life. They are world class. I only get

858
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.519
those rights because I would I guess because of what

859
00:39:24.550 --> 00:39:27.650
I because I enrich their lives in some way, because

860
00:39:27.710 --> 00:39:29.570
I'm not good enough to write with these people as

861
00:39:29.650 --> 00:39:32.280
a writer. like they write every day twice a day

862
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.539
for 30 years and like they can run I mean

863
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.980
they can run rings around me like I'll often be

864
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.539
like man I got this idea like we often write

865
00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:41.010
my ideas because one of the things that I bring

866
00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:43.750
to the table is they write every day I'm I

867
00:39:43.769 --> 00:39:46.150
write once or twice a month so like I'm I'm

868
00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:48.190
bringing in fresh ideas all the time because I've got

869
00:39:48.269 --> 00:39:50.650
another 28 days to come up with them where they've just,

870
00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:52.429
they got to write two today, two tomorrow, two the

871
00:39:52.469 --> 00:39:54.829
next day, two the next day. And that's, so sometimes

872
00:39:54.869 --> 00:39:57.110
they're like, sometimes the beauty is like, they got to

873
00:39:57.150 --> 00:39:59.230
get down to a micro to figure something new to

874
00:39:59.269 --> 00:40:01.570
write about. But I'm like going through, like we just,

875
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:03.880
just wrote a song. I think it's going to come

876
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.800
out with an artist. We'll see. But the title has

877
00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:08.199
better off broken. And this whole idea was like, you know,

878
00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:11.000
I had this sort of relationship when I say whatever, like,

879
00:40:11.019 --> 00:40:13.699
and I realized like, I realized that the only person

880
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.699
who can fix me is myself. So I was better

881
00:40:15.739 --> 00:40:17.650
off broken than trying to have this person fix me.

882
00:40:17.690 --> 00:40:19.599
It's like the kinds of right. And like the writers are,

883
00:40:19.610 --> 00:40:22.869
they're like, Yeah, let's do that. So, but like, I'll

884
00:40:22.889 --> 00:40:24.590
be like, how about this? And they're like, oh, do

885
00:40:24.610 --> 00:40:26.750
you mean like this? And they'll spit it out in

886
00:40:26.789 --> 00:40:29.789
a way that's like, yes, I wish I could have

887
00:40:29.809 --> 00:40:31.789
said it that way. But, you know, and I'll get

888
00:40:31.909 --> 00:40:35.480
lines in the song. But I realize, and it's okay

889
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.099
to me, that like they do it way more than

890
00:40:38.139 --> 00:40:40.440
I do. They're way more proficient than I am. But

891
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.940
I still have value in the room. I could, you know,

892
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:44.400
my friend Jeremy, who I write with a lot, like

893
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.579
Jeremy writes hits at his kitchen table by himself. He

894
00:40:47.619 --> 00:40:50.769
needs nobody at any time to help him. And he's like, man,

895
00:40:50.809 --> 00:40:53.610
you know, and I feel like sometimes I don't get,

896
00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:58.119
I get like the least amount of lines that I

897
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.199
would write without him rewriting them better of like anyone else.

898
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.400
And it's intimidating. We've been writing almost 10 years now.

899
00:41:03.739 --> 00:41:06.239
And he's like, dude, so I'm always like sometimes feeling

900
00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:10.239
a little bit self-conscious about it, right? Like, man, why

901
00:41:10.300 --> 00:41:12.619
is this dude still writing this? And he's like, dude,

902
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.219
you know how many people I write with? And then

903
00:41:14.420 --> 00:41:16.409
by the second or third write. They know we're going

904
00:41:16.429 --> 00:41:18.409
to write a good song, but they stop even trying

905
00:41:18.469 --> 00:41:20.590
to write lines. He goes, I don't ever write those

906
00:41:20.610 --> 00:41:22.010
people again because I'm not here to write a song

907
00:41:22.070 --> 00:41:23.699
for you. I'm going to write a song with you.

908
00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:25.530
He goes, and by the way, everything that comes out

909
00:41:25.550 --> 00:41:27.690
of your mouth spins around in my brain somehow to

910
00:41:27.750 --> 00:41:29.750
help me write that next line. But you got to

911
00:41:29.789 --> 00:41:32.869
be willing to like, and he writes a lot in

912
00:41:32.929 --> 00:41:35.110
his brain. And then I'm like, what is he thinking?

913
00:41:35.250 --> 00:41:37.550
Am I interrupting him? Like, but you know, but so

914
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.820
I've learned we were great friends and we write a lot,

915
00:41:40.179 --> 00:41:44.360
but I have learned, I've learned a lot about collaboration

916
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.659
in songwriting and I've learned a lot about when I

917
00:41:46.699 --> 00:41:49.639
first started writing, when I first got invited to Nashville

918
00:41:49.659 --> 00:41:51.699
to write, and it was when I was like 20,

919
00:41:51.699 --> 00:41:54.780
this legendary songwriter named Charlie Craig, who is getting on

920
00:41:54.820 --> 00:41:57.150
in years, really great human, became a mentor to me.

921
00:41:57.429 --> 00:41:59.329
He had over 300 album cuts had written for Dolly

922
00:41:59.349 --> 00:42:01.670
Parton and Randy Travis. And he wrote Just Between You

923
00:42:01.690 --> 00:42:03.489
and All Memory and Me, that Keith Whitley and Travis

924
00:42:03.510 --> 00:42:06.889
Tritt sang, like a really nice man. And he said, hey, Nick,

925
00:42:07.030 --> 00:42:08.699
I could tell you got talent. You've been writing these

926
00:42:08.739 --> 00:42:11.300
songs in your bedroom that are, they're decent. They're not

927
00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:12.800
great songs, hate to break it to you, but you

928
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.590
got talent, you got ambition. why don't you come ride

929
00:42:14.610 --> 00:42:16.769
with me and some of my friends? I'd love to.

930
00:42:17.050 --> 00:42:18.849
He goes, but what I'm going to tell you is

931
00:42:18.889 --> 00:42:20.929
that I want you to come with ideas because nobody

932
00:42:20.969 --> 00:42:23.070
wants a wet noodle coming in the room, basically. Come

933
00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:24.630
with ideas. But what I don't want you to do

934
00:42:24.989 --> 00:42:26.869
is I don't want you to fight for your idea.

935
00:42:27.190 --> 00:42:28.710
I want you to fight for the best song in

936
00:42:28.730 --> 00:42:30.769
the room that day because that song could only be

937
00:42:30.829 --> 00:42:33.599
brought together by the thought processes, the energy, and the

938
00:42:33.619 --> 00:42:35.360
people who are in the room that day. So fight

939
00:42:35.380 --> 00:42:37.460
for the best song. Don't fight for your song. And

940
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.119
so I now have learned to do that in business

941
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.840
and interviews too. It's like, don't, I just need to

942
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.280
be prepared for the best conversation in the room that day.

943
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.460
If I came to this interview knowing here's what I,

944
00:42:47.510 --> 00:42:49.789
here's my agenda. Here's what I got to get across

945
00:42:49.829 --> 00:42:52.849
with Tyler. Like there's a totally different conversation. Like, Hey,

946
00:42:52.889 --> 00:42:54.670
let me show up prepared by the way. Let me

947
00:42:54.690 --> 00:42:56.750
be prepared to talk about whatever I need to talk about,

948
00:42:57.090 --> 00:43:00.420
but let me be prepared to speak on the topics

949
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.820
that are interesting to her. And when I, so when

950
00:43:02.860 --> 00:43:05.980
I first started interviewing famous people, first of all, I

951
00:43:06.019 --> 00:43:07.800
used to like, I'm pretty good at winging things I've

952
00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:09.159
done in my whole life. Like I just used to

953
00:43:09.179 --> 00:43:11.460
show up and wing it. And like, And it would

954
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:13.920
work out, but I'm like, you know, there'd be, sometimes

955
00:43:13.940 --> 00:43:15.440
there'd be things I didn't even know they were working

956
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.400
on or it was like, and I felt like I

957
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.090
wasn't as prepared as I should be. And then I'm like,

958
00:43:20.409 --> 00:43:22.510
but I don't like to prepare. But then I realized, oh,

959
00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:25.429
wait a minute, I can outsource preparation. So I started

960
00:43:25.469 --> 00:43:27.550
getting one of my producers to make, I was like,

961
00:43:27.570 --> 00:43:29.289
the way I want to be prepared is write me

962
00:43:29.309 --> 00:43:31.090
an article as if this person were on the cover

963
00:43:31.110 --> 00:43:34.030
of People Magazine this week, no more than 1500 words.

964
00:43:34.349 --> 00:43:36.329
Let me know what I need to know about their past, present, future,

965
00:43:36.349 --> 00:43:38.349
what they're excited about and give it to me on paper.

966
00:43:38.710 --> 00:43:41.460
And so 10 minutes before the interview, read it, make

967
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.940
notes on it, and I'm ready to have the interview. Now,

968
00:43:44.019 --> 00:43:45.840
the first mistake I made then was I tried to

969
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.070
make them say everything that was on the paper because

970
00:43:48.110 --> 00:43:49.739
this in my brain was like, oh, this is what

971
00:43:49.780 --> 00:43:52.690
we need to talk about. Once I realized, oh, I

972
00:43:52.730 --> 00:43:55.130
don't need to do that. That's just me preparing. That's

973
00:43:55.170 --> 00:43:57.690
me always having something to go back to as a foundation.

974
00:43:58.010 --> 00:43:59.829
But my real job here is to see when they

975
00:43:59.869 --> 00:44:02.429
light up in their eyes and follow the trail unless

976
00:44:02.469 --> 00:44:04.130
it gets lost and I can point it back to this.

977
00:44:04.510 --> 00:44:07.269
But then, so the amount of times now, because I've

978
00:44:07.289 --> 00:44:09.050
been prepared to have the best conversation in the room

979
00:44:09.070 --> 00:44:11.340
that day, the conversation they want to have The amount

980
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.420
of times people have said, Larry King said to me,

981
00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:15.480
he said, Nick, I never talked about this on camera before.

982
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.460
And I'm like, sort of like, why are you telling me?

983
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:19.679
You know, like, you know, are we going to get arrested? No,

984
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.409
but like it's, but when you prepare for the best

985
00:44:22.449 --> 00:44:24.730
conversation in the room that day, which I learned from songwriting,

986
00:44:25.150 --> 00:44:27.989
it allows you to have a much richer dialogue and

987
00:44:28.010 --> 00:44:31.329
a much richer experience because you're not trying to maneuver or,

988
00:44:31.510 --> 00:44:35.570
or commandeer something in a way that's not natural. Thank you. Yeah,

989
00:44:35.610 --> 00:44:35.869
of course.

990
00:44:36.230 --> 00:44:40.579
Thank you. I am blown away. I was, I am,

991
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:46.420
I was prepared. I am prepared. And I am absolutely hoodwinked,

992
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.860
blown away by the, the messages that I needed to hear. And,

993
00:44:51.099 --> 00:44:53.050
you know, I say, I talk about this a lot

994
00:44:53.489 --> 00:44:56.789
with my solo episodes, but God is good. Like I,

995
00:44:56.969 --> 00:44:59.489
I believe in, in timing and I believe in things

996
00:44:59.530 --> 00:45:02.889
happening for a reason when they happen and you and

997
00:45:02.989 --> 00:45:07.010
your energy and your messages are spot on for what

998
00:45:07.110 --> 00:45:11.590
my bandaged soul needed. Right now today in this mo

999
00:45:11.670 --> 00:45:15.050
in this moment in time, like not just past, present, future,

1000
00:45:15.070 --> 00:45:18.329
but right now. So thank you. Not just for, because

1001
00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:20.849
here's the thing that I know and thank you, but like,

1002
00:45:21.010 --> 00:45:23.800
I know that I'm not alone, right? Like I know

1003
00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:26.420
that the messages and the things that you're sharing with

1004
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.139
me are things that my people, my friends, my family,

1005
00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:32.760
the people that watch and listen, they need this too,

1006
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.440
because we're all in this together. Like the way I

1007
00:45:35.500 --> 00:45:38.659
see it, I am a conduit of information. And I

1008
00:45:38.739 --> 00:45:41.840
am so grateful for the opportunity to get to hear

1009
00:45:42.260 --> 00:45:47.090
and feel and experience this conversation because it's very, very

1010
00:45:47.150 --> 00:45:50.110
personal for me in ways that probably don't even really

1011
00:45:50.150 --> 00:45:52.889
make sense that we can, we can talk about it

1012
00:45:52.929 --> 00:45:56.550
later because one thing I will share is I have

1013
00:45:56.590 --> 00:45:59.789
gotten that too from the people that I've talked with.

1014
00:45:59.869 --> 00:46:02.639
And I'm so grateful because, you know, we talk about

1015
00:46:02.659 --> 00:46:04.719
maybe it not being a superpower, it's a skillset.

1016
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:05.480
Sure. Okay.

1017
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.590
Yes. I kind of, I err on the side of

1018
00:46:07.670 --> 00:46:10.889
glitter and sparkle. So I like the superpower mindset, right?

1019
00:46:10.929 --> 00:46:14.409
But the superpower idea that you, I can sit down

1020
00:46:14.449 --> 00:46:18.719
with a human who I, in theory, don't even, there's really,

1021
00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:23.000
how does Ty know Nick? Like, how did that happen?

1022
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:25.599
And that's curious. That might be curious for some people,

1023
00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:28.039
but I can sit down with a person and we

1024
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.679
can have a conversation like this that has impact and

1025
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:35.679
has heart and soul and feelings and helps people. at

1026
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:39.340
a level that is just really, really stinking cool. And

1027
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:41.889
it's happened to me before where I too have had

1028
00:46:41.909 --> 00:46:44.190
the people say, I don't know why I'm telling you this.

1029
00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:47.530
Like it happens with, with celebrities like you, Nick, but

1030
00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:49.789
it also happens with the lady at the Dollar Tree

1031
00:46:50.070 --> 00:46:52.550
who randomly had, I randomly had a conversation with her

1032
00:46:52.590 --> 00:46:55.570
about self-love the other day. You know, like it's, it's,

1033
00:46:55.730 --> 00:46:58.510
it happens everywhere. And I'm very grateful for this gift

1034
00:46:58.530 --> 00:47:02.119
of superpower that I have. And thank you for sharing

1035
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.980
it and kind of like reflecting it back at me

1036
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.679
in a way that's just honestly visceral. And I'm feeling

1037
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.409
with all of, all of my heart. So I am

1038
00:47:09.630 --> 00:47:11.289
glad to hear that. So grateful.

1039
00:47:11.710 --> 00:47:14.610
It's interesting because, you know, when I first started working

1040
00:47:14.670 --> 00:47:16.949
on this book, like, first of all, I was trying

1041
00:47:16.969 --> 00:47:19.760
to figure out like, basically whenever I direct a film

1042
00:47:19.820 --> 00:47:23.199
for somebody, I will often get like, especially if it's

1043
00:47:23.219 --> 00:47:26.199
a company, someone who owns a company or whatever, like they,

1044
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:30.900
they will somehow or the other say, Like, oh my gosh,

1045
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.900
I got a lot more than I bargained for. I

1046
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.789
just thought you were just a film director. Like, sometimes

1047
00:47:35.809 --> 00:47:38.349
they'll call their whole marketing team. Like, Nick just gave

1048
00:47:38.369 --> 00:47:40.570
me these hundred ideas. And part of it is because

1049
00:47:40.650 --> 00:47:42.869
my brain works that way. But I've seen from the

1050
00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:47.210
inside of a thousand different organizations and ways people operate

1051
00:47:47.230 --> 00:47:49.530
and stuff. And so what I really want to do

1052
00:47:49.550 --> 00:47:51.539
with the book is just, like, share the things I

1053
00:47:51.579 --> 00:47:54.760
had learned. But also, from a selfish point of view,

1054
00:47:54.860 --> 00:47:58.369
I wanted people to understand that. basically who I am,

1055
00:47:58.429 --> 00:48:00.630
like what makes me who I am. But then you,

1056
00:48:00.809 --> 00:48:04.190
I get the, you know, the, the imposter syndrome of like, well,

1057
00:48:04.210 --> 00:48:06.639
why would anyone care what Nick has to say? Cause

1058
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.380
that is a natural response. And then I, but I

1059
00:48:09.460 --> 00:48:11.159
had to take my own advice that I give other people.

1060
00:48:11.500 --> 00:48:13.260
When your message is more important than your ego, your

1061
00:48:13.300 --> 00:48:14.360
ego gets out of the way and you just start

1062
00:48:14.380 --> 00:48:16.460
sharing it and it will reach the people it's supposed

1063
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.039
to reach. I think the big difference is if you're

1064
00:48:19.059 --> 00:48:22.210
sharing the message for your ego, it's not the right message.

1065
00:48:22.469 --> 00:48:24.349
If you're sharing the message to help and serve other people,

1066
00:48:25.030 --> 00:48:27.309
doors will open because it's obvious. We talked about serving.

1067
00:48:28.139 --> 00:48:31.019
You're doing this podcast to serve an audience. It's not

1068
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.679
going to hurt you, but it's not intended to be self-serving.

1069
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.099
And when you see things, I see people all the

1070
00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:39.929
time who post things online over and over and over

1071
00:48:39.969 --> 00:48:41.789
and over again, which is how you feed the algorithm.

1072
00:48:42.210 --> 00:48:44.489
And they get two likes here, three likes there. And

1073
00:48:44.530 --> 00:48:48.050
it's because they are not serving themselves or they're not

1074
00:48:48.070 --> 00:48:50.769
serving others. They're doing it for their ego. And once

1075
00:48:50.809 --> 00:48:52.760
people start to realize that, so it's been an interesting

1076
00:48:52.820 --> 00:48:56.409
process And I'm really glad to hear that it resonates

1077
00:48:56.449 --> 00:48:59.949
with you because it's newer material for me. But I

1078
00:48:59.989 --> 00:49:02.789
have noticed every time I'll mention it off the cuff

1079
00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:04.849
or from a keynote, like these are the things that

1080
00:49:04.889 --> 00:49:07.530
people come up to me and like want to revisit.

1081
00:49:07.550 --> 00:49:09.349
Like tell me again about– honestly, the question I get

1082
00:49:09.389 --> 00:49:10.849
asked the most is like tell me about the seven

1083
00:49:10.869 --> 00:49:12.969
nights a month again. Like how does that work? And

1084
00:49:13.010 --> 00:49:15.349
it's like because it's just like real and it's practical.

1085
00:49:15.670 --> 00:49:17.329
It doesn't have to be seven nights for anybody else.

1086
00:49:17.369 --> 00:49:19.320
But like this is a way I put guardrails in

1087
00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:22.079
my life. so that I know my children, they like me.

1088
00:49:22.099 --> 00:49:24.000
I've been married almost 25 years. My wife still likes me,

1089
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.110
I think. And so, you know, but, but if I,

1090
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:30.420
but if I let success run from me and run

1091
00:49:30.579 --> 00:49:32.880
and run, which I was, once we, I started having success,

1092
00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:35.280
you know, my wife sat me down, Christina, and she's like, look,

1093
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:37.940
I'm really glad like we can eat now. I'm really

1094
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.380
glad that we can afford a house. Like I'm like,

1095
00:49:39.849 --> 00:49:42.449
But I didn't sign up to do this life without you.

1096
00:49:42.530 --> 00:49:44.599
I need your help. And the kids need you. So like,

1097
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.079
what are we going to do? And so I was like,

1098
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:48.820
I don't know. Let's talk about it. And so we

1099
00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:52.719
just had a healthy conversation. She understood that I couldn't

1100
00:49:52.780 --> 00:49:55.280
do what I was doing without some level of travel.

1101
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.010
But I understood that she couldn't do it. I couldn't

1102
00:49:59.050 --> 00:50:03.349
be a helpful, healthy husband, father if I wasn't ever there.

1103
00:50:03.630 --> 00:50:06.389
So like, what are we going to do? My travel

1104
00:50:06.449 --> 00:50:09.150
is still disruptive. Don't get me wrong. I'm gone like

1105
00:50:09.190 --> 00:50:13.559
a night and a half a week. But we've learned

1106
00:50:13.579 --> 00:50:15.940
to live with it. It works for us. I get

1107
00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:18.019
my adventures. I think I come back more prepared to

1108
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:19.380
be a better dad because I've gotten it out of

1109
00:50:19.420 --> 00:50:23.380
my system. People always ask, how do you do those things?

1110
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.829
How do you take those risks? Number one, my family

1111
00:50:26.849 --> 00:50:30.369
is my baseline. They're my floor. Because I poured into them,

1112
00:50:30.429 --> 00:50:34.710
they're there for me. As long as I don't dishonor them,

1113
00:50:35.230 --> 00:50:38.469
or embarrass them by making a really bad public decision

1114
00:50:38.530 --> 00:50:42.150
or cheat somebody or whatever. Like they don't, they don't

1115
00:50:42.210 --> 00:50:43.389
care when I get home, they're just going to make

1116
00:50:43.449 --> 00:50:45.550
fun of me. They don't care who I've interviewed. And like,

1117
00:50:45.909 --> 00:50:48.449
I say, if your children aren't respectfully making fun of you,

1118
00:50:48.469 --> 00:50:50.250
I'm not sure you did it right. Cause like, it

1119
00:50:50.289 --> 00:50:53.489
shouldn't be that serious respectfully, but like, you know, and

1120
00:50:53.550 --> 00:50:56.150
so we have a real relationship. So I can't wait

1121
00:50:56.489 --> 00:50:59.050
to get home. No matter what I just experienced success

1122
00:50:59.090 --> 00:51:00.690
or failure, I just got, I just want to go

1123
00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:02.730
home and see my family and hang out. And so

1124
00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:04.469
it makes for a rich life. It's a lot of fun.

1125
00:51:05.059 --> 00:51:08.599
Oh my gosh. To that end, you, you spend your

1126
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.860
career making other people feel seen. What makes you feel seen?

1127
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:17.519
Uh, man, uh, spending time with people, you know, just

1128
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.690
getting like, I don't, I don't want any shallow relationships

1129
00:51:21.750 --> 00:51:23.510
in my life. I don't, I don't, I don't need them.

1130
00:51:23.530 --> 00:51:25.849
I don't desire them. Um, not that I don't sit

1131
00:51:25.889 --> 00:51:27.869
next to probably some really great people on airplanes, but

1132
00:51:27.889 --> 00:51:29.989
I basically just go to sleep because I'm not, I don't,

1133
00:51:30.309 --> 00:51:32.530
I don't care what the weather is. I'm like, what?

1134
00:51:32.829 --> 00:51:35.670
Like small talk, hate it. Like I want, you know,

1135
00:51:35.750 --> 00:51:37.989
I want to spend time with people who are, you know,

1136
00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:40.889
trying to serve others, trying to, trying to make whatever

1137
00:51:41.010 --> 00:51:43.329
world or part of the world that they are in

1138
00:51:43.349 --> 00:51:45.570
a better place, whether that's number one, by the way,

1139
00:51:45.590 --> 00:51:48.360
I think from like, if you are a parent, I

1140
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.659
think if you fail at that job, like you, you

1141
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.619
failed the world, like, you know, I don't mean to

1142
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.400
be harsh about it, but like, so to me, that's,

1143
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.000
that's how seriously I take it. I can't control my

1144
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.239
kids' decisions. You know, they're going to make mistakes because

1145
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.099
I still make mistakes. So I tell them that I'm like, Hey,

1146
00:52:02.530 --> 00:52:04.150
You're going to make mistakes because I still do. But

1147
00:52:04.190 --> 00:52:06.610
when you do, me and your mom can probably help

1148
00:52:06.650 --> 00:52:08.449
you more than your friend who doesn't know what they're doing.

1149
00:52:08.469 --> 00:52:10.869
So if you make mistakes, probably call me. Anyway, but

1150
00:52:10.909 --> 00:52:15.050
so I want, I desire deep relationships and that makes

1151
00:52:15.090 --> 00:52:17.690
me feel seen because I can actually have a real

1152
00:52:17.750 --> 00:52:20.650
conversation with someone that means something because to me, you know,

1153
00:52:21.449 --> 00:52:23.889
I find the meaning of life through community and community

1154
00:52:23.929 --> 00:52:27.909
to me is people you have relationships with and I

1155
00:52:27.949 --> 00:52:30.469
have been given the gift of, because I care about people,

1156
00:52:30.590 --> 00:52:34.090
I can usually develop pretty deep relationships pretty quickly. And

1157
00:52:34.170 --> 00:52:37.320
so if I interview, not with every celebrity, you may

1158
00:52:37.340 --> 00:52:39.199
never get a call back, but if I interview someone

1159
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:40.900
and they like it and they seem like I can,

1160
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.719
I mean, I just got invited. This is cool. Just

1161
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.480
because my first big concert I went to was the

1162
00:52:47.619 --> 00:52:51.110
Eagles' Hell Freezes Over. Well, through filming the Blind Boys

1163
00:52:51.130 --> 00:52:53.710
of Alabama documentary that I just did, I interviewed Timothy B.

1164
00:52:53.730 --> 00:52:56.460
Schmidt from the Eagles. And Timothy B. Schmidt invited me

1165
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.420
to the sphere as his guest to the Eagles show. Like,

1166
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.780
but like, you know, like, and he doesn't know me well,

1167
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.099
but I tried to develop a relationship, try to serve

1168
00:53:05.139 --> 00:53:07.550
him well. He saw how well I served his friends,

1169
00:53:07.610 --> 00:53:09.630
the blind boys. I'm not his friend, the blind boys

1170
00:53:09.670 --> 00:53:11.510
are his friends, but he saw how I served them.

1171
00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:13.849
He's like, he obviously thinks I'm a good enough dude

1172
00:53:14.110 --> 00:53:16.010
and I'm an Eagles fan. And he's like, oh, cool.

1173
00:53:16.070 --> 00:53:17.929
And so I told him, I said, my uncle took me,

1174
00:53:18.170 --> 00:53:20.650
I had to babysit my cousin in exchange for the ticket.

1175
00:53:20.969 --> 00:53:22.289
And so he's like, well, bring your uncle with you.

1176
00:53:22.349 --> 00:53:24.019
So me and my uncle, who took me to see

1177
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:25.800
the Eagles are going to see the Eagles again. It

1178
00:53:25.820 --> 00:53:26.300
should be pretty cool.

1179
00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:30.530
Oh my gosh. That's amazing. That story is so good.

1180
00:53:30.610 --> 00:53:34.230
That's so good. Um, I have like 75 more questions,

1181
00:53:34.710 --> 00:53:37.789
but it's fine. I want to ask one quick before

1182
00:53:37.809 --> 00:53:40.809
you forget question. Cause I, I'm normally, I have like

1183
00:53:40.829 --> 00:53:43.230
a whole list of questions that I ask everybody and

1184
00:53:43.250 --> 00:53:45.210
I didn't get to any of them, but this one

1185
00:53:45.269 --> 00:53:47.949
is important to me. If you have, like if I

1186
00:53:47.989 --> 00:53:50.610
handed you a megaphone right now and the world was

1187
00:53:50.710 --> 00:53:54.559
strongly encouraged to please, please tune in and listen to

1188
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:58.199
Nick Nanton for the next 30 to 60 seconds. What

1189
00:53:58.239 --> 00:53:58.739
would you say?

1190
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:08.949
Well, that's a big question. I would say find a

1191
00:54:09.769 --> 00:54:12.309
way to serve others well slash add value to others'

1192
00:54:12.369 --> 00:54:15.730
lives slash just show up for others and you will

1193
00:54:15.809 --> 00:54:20.099
achieve everything you desired in life and more that you're

1194
00:54:20.139 --> 00:54:22.059
supposed to. It doesn't mean you're supposed to be rich.

1195
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.369
It doesn't mean And the other part of that is like,

1196
00:54:24.949 --> 00:54:28.269
I believe faith is so important because everything is bigger

1197
00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:31.989
than you. And so, and when you realize like even the,

1198
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:34.989
you will enjoy your life much more, not always in

1199
00:54:35.010 --> 00:54:37.260
the moment, but if you realize, you know, it's a bit,

1200
00:54:38.019 --> 00:54:39.440
it's a bit trite to say this has been said

1201
00:54:39.460 --> 00:54:41.300
so many times, but that life happens for you, not

1202
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:44.179
to you. If you can believe that and own that

1203
00:54:44.340 --> 00:54:47.139
and you can say, okay, yeah, how can I show

1204
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.519
up today and just take what comes and process it

1205
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:56.530
in a way that that is positive and say, what

1206
00:54:56.570 --> 00:54:59.190
am I supposed to take from this? Jack Canfield, act

1207
00:54:59.289 --> 00:55:01.329
as if you are responsible for everything in your life,

1208
00:55:01.369 --> 00:55:04.179
whether you are or not. You can't be responsible for everything,

1209
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:06.099
but if you learn to act as if you're responsible,

1210
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.840
you can find joy a lot more in situations that

1211
00:55:08.860 --> 00:55:12.099
sort of suck. And I think that those are, it

1212
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.139
depends how long they gave me the megaphone for. As

1213
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.519
you can see, I have many messages, but I would

1214
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:18.099
start with something like that.

1215
00:55:18.469 --> 00:55:20.510
I feel like you should have the megaphone all the time.

1216
00:55:20.670 --> 00:55:23.559
Like you should just walk around with a megaphone because I,

1217
00:55:23.610 --> 00:55:26.210
you have filled my soul with so much good things

1218
00:55:27.030 --> 00:55:30.380
and we have barely scratched the surface. So my question

1219
00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:33.659
is like, what, what have you not mentioned or not

1220
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.360
shared that you're working on or you're excited about that

1221
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.739
you want to, to, to shine some light on today?

1222
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.820
Uh, there's a bunch I'm working on. I really can't

1223
00:55:41.860 --> 00:55:44.920
talk about what's fun, but I would say the thing

1224
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:46.570
that'd be the most, like I am working on the book. I'm,

1225
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.500
If people are interested, if they want to go to nicknanton.com

1226
00:55:50.539 --> 00:55:52.550
and just sort of sign up to keep up with

1227
00:55:52.590 --> 00:55:54.489
me or if they want to go follow me on Instagram,

1228
00:55:54.510 --> 00:55:55.969
as long as you spell my name correctly, you'll find

1229
00:55:55.989 --> 00:55:58.010
me pretty much anywhere. I have a nephew with the

1230
00:55:58.050 --> 00:56:00.269
same name and I told his dad, as long as

1231
00:56:00.289 --> 00:56:03.610
you're willing for him to be buried on Google, that's fine. No,

1232
00:56:03.889 --> 00:56:06.239
but it would be the most helpful thing to me

1233
00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:08.739
is if people are interested that they find a way

1234
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.400
to keep up because not that I just want you

1235
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:13.300
to buy my new book when it comes out, but

1236
00:56:13.780 --> 00:56:16.070
we can hopefully develop a relationship of some sort If

1237
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.750
I serve you well, I'd love to know you and

1238
00:56:18.949 --> 00:56:19.530
hear from you as well.

1239
00:56:20.230 --> 00:56:22.050
I would love to have you back to talk more

1240
00:56:22.090 --> 00:56:24.070
about your book. Would you be willing?

1241
00:56:24.289 --> 00:56:25.250
Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, for sure.

1242
00:56:25.409 --> 00:56:26.849
Beautiful. When is it coming out?

1243
00:56:27.550 --> 00:56:30.360
I don't know yet, so I'll let you know. Okay.

1244
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:31.280
We'll be in touch.

1245
00:56:31.659 --> 00:56:35.099
First or second quarter of next year, ideally.

1246
00:56:35.260 --> 00:56:37.920
Because you and I on an airplane would not be

1247
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.550
a superficial conversation. We would get off the airplane and

1248
00:56:40.570 --> 00:56:43.820
then we'd have to go get mocktails or something after. Um,

1249
00:56:43.929 --> 00:56:46.420
so I am so grateful for you, sir. Thank you.

1250
00:56:46.460 --> 00:56:49.000
Thank you for your time, your energy, all of the things.

1251
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:51.519
And we will see you next time on quick before

1252
00:56:51.539 --> 00:56:56.449
you forget. That was so much fun. Thank you for

1253
00:56:56.489 --> 00:57:00.829
investing your time, energy, and thought into spending some time

1254
00:57:00.849 --> 00:57:03.889
with me today. I really appreciate you. And I really

1255
00:57:03.909 --> 00:57:07.480
appreciate when you talk back. So please, if you're here still,

1256
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.829
thank you so much. Please tell me what you thought.

1257
00:57:11.309 --> 00:57:14.190
Tell me what other questions you have. Tell me how

1258
00:57:14.489 --> 00:57:17.449
this episode affected you and how it resonated with you

1259
00:57:17.510 --> 00:57:19.489
and all of the things. Tell me all the things

1260
00:57:20.070 --> 00:57:22.829
in the comments. And please know that I'm reading every

1261
00:57:22.869 --> 00:57:27.699
single comment, responding to every single comment. And I appreciate you.

1262
00:57:28.099 --> 00:57:31.719
Thank you for being here with me today. Please also like, share,

1263
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.340
subscribe if this if this episode was fun for you.

1264
00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:36.699
It'll be fun for a friend, so send it to

1265
00:57:36.739 --> 00:57:39.800
a friend that might enjoy a little laughter, a little joy,

1266
00:57:39.820 --> 00:57:45.639
and a little more time investing in themselves. And today,

1267
00:57:45.659 --> 00:57:50.710
I am proudly sponsored, not sponsored, by Zeke's Village Market

1268
00:57:50.829 --> 00:57:56.530
in Door County, Wisconsin, which provided this fantastic shirt, which

1269
00:57:56.730 --> 00:57:58.750
Ephraim is a really cute town in Door County. If

1270
00:57:58.789 --> 00:58:02.719
you haven't been there, it's beautiful. It's very much Cape

1271
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:05.960
Cod town. It's the Cape Cod of the Midwest. So

1272
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.030
I just have to show you the design because the

1273
00:58:08.070 --> 00:58:12.010
design is what makes it a souvenir with soul. So

1274
00:58:12.030 --> 00:58:24.579
we're going to stand up. Every single design from Zeke's

1275
00:58:25.059 --> 00:58:28.280
has heart and soul put into it. And it's designed

1276
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:33.159
and they partner with Guilty Apparel. And the two together

1277
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:37.150
are a dynamic duo of awesomeness. So I am so

1278
00:58:37.190 --> 00:58:41.590
grateful for their belief in me and their beautiful designs

1279
00:58:41.750 --> 00:58:44.289
and their souvenirs with soul. And I will see you

1280
00:58:44.329 --> 00:58:46.409
next time on Quick Before You Forget.