May 18, 2026

Born with One Hand, Built for Purpose: Tony Memmel on Resilience, Faith, and Mindset

Born with One Hand, Built for Purpose: Tony Memmel on Resilience, Faith, and Mindset

In weakness there is purpose and in purpose there is strength. In this deeply moving and highly conversational episode of Quick Before You Forget, I am joined by singer-songwriter Tony Memmel, a keynote speaker and musician born with one hand who...

In weakness there is purpose and in purpose there is strength.

In this deeply moving and highly conversational episode of Quick Before You Forget, I am joined by singer-songwriter Tony Memmel, a keynote speaker and musician born with one hand who taught himself to play guitar professionally using a custom cast made from Gorilla Tape.

Together, we explore resilience, faith, mindset, music as healing, and what it means to keep showing up even when life feels uncertain.

Tony shares:

the single conversation that changed his mother’s perspective (and Tony's life) forever
how music became both therapy and mission
why what we consume shapes who we become
the importance of protecting your peace
how faith carried Tony through difficult seasons
what resilience actually looks like in everyday life
the story behind performing alongside Jelly Roll and Brandon Lake

This episode is for anyone feeling discouraged, lost, uncertain, or in need of a reminder that your story still, and forever and always, matters. Because sometimes the very thing you thought would hold you back becomes the thing that helps set other people free.

Meaningful Moments

00:00 — The powerful question that shaped Tony’s life
01:00 — Being born with one hand and his parents’ fears
04:00 — The mindset shift that changed everything
05:30 — Discovering music and learning guitar
08:45 — Saving up for his first guitar
11:00 — Music as healing and emotional transformation
13:00 — Turning pain into purpose
14:30 — Protecting your peace and intentional consumption
18:00 — Self-limiting beliefs and the “yellow brick road”
22:00 — Why connection changes everything
24:00 — Gratitude, family, and mission-driven living
26:30 — Fatherhood and resilience
29:00 — Advice to his younger self
33:00 — Stories that remind us why encouragement matters
36:00 — Ty shares her healing journey and health struggles
40:00 — What people misunderstand about inspiration
42:00 — Tony’s “song of survival” during the pandemic
45:00 — What Tony would tell the world right now
48:00 — Singing with Jelly Roll and Brandon Lake
51:00 — Legacy, family, and what matters most
54:00 — Final reflections and encouragement

Connect with Tony Memmel on social media:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tonymemmel/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tonymemmel/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/tonymemmel
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@UC5QcaLeJOiloN-f7qimiv1A

Book Tony to speak: https://www.tonymemmel.com/speaking

Coach Doc and Ty discuss complimenting strangers in Episode one of Quick Before You Forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLtCdC9oQ8g&t=10s

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Have you thought yet that God can do incredible things,

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amazing things in places that the world may perceive as

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weak are actually places where He is the strongest.

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Hello, friends, welcome to Quick before you forget with Tony Memo.

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Tony, Hi, how are you today?

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Hey, I'm great. Thanks so much for having me on

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the show.

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I'm so pumped that you're here, so friends, I'm so

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excited to introduce you and so grateful for the time

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today With Tony Memo. He is a singer songwriter who

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was born with one hand and taught himself to play

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guitar professionally by designing a custom cast out of Garu tape.

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He has since toured forty seven states and twenty five countries,

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sharing a message of resilience, creativity, and possibility. Tony, I

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am so excited that you're here.

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Thank you so much. It's so good to be here

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with you.

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Congratulations on the new pod. Thank you for having me on.

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It's really a blast to be here with you.

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Thank you, Oh my goodness, thank you.

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I am really wanting to walk through your story today,

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like I want to go on a journey with you

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through your past, your present, and your future, which leads

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me to the past. First, can you tell me a

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story about a person or a connection or a relationship

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that changed your trajectory of your life as a child.

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Yeah, yeah, totally so.

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Like you mentioned when you were just introducing me a

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moment ago, something that's unique about my story is I'm

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a professional guitar player and I was born with one hand.

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So from the moment I came into the world, my

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parents did not know that I was going to be

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born one handed. So before my mom could even really

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see me, she could see in the doctor's eyes above

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the mask that he was wearing in the hospital that

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he was shocked. They immediately had to rush me from

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the hospital room where I was born to another place

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in the hospital to do tests. And my parents had

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a lot of questions about what my life was going

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to be like from those early moments. From the first questions,

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you know, like would I be okay? Was I going

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to be healthy? And then after that if I was,

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the questions were more like what would my life be like.

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They didn't know anybody who had a hand like mine.

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They all my cousins and my grandparents and all of

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my aunts and uncles. Everybody in my family has two hands.

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I'm the only one with one, so I think they

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just didn't have a real reference of what to look

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to or what that might be like. So they had

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so many questions. Would I be bullied in school because

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I had one hand? Would I be able to play

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sports or music? Things that had been important to them?

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And the good news was the doctor brought me back

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to the hospital room and gave me back to my

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parents and said, I happened to be healthy. I just

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happened to be born with one hand. They didn't have literature,

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they didn't have like a whole network to connect them

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to with lots of new information.

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Just one hand, and they took me home. And what

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had n't up changing my life?

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And why I start the story there is It's something

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that I don't even remember, but this is I think

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how things work in amazing ways in the world. Is

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that a few weeks after I was born, the pastor

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at the church that I grew up at would go

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around and just visit new parents at home and sit

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down with the mom and hold the baby for a

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little while and just hang out and talk. And my

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mom just that day, a few weeks after I was born,

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just started sharing those questions that she was experiencing, and

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Pastor Frank listen to every question that she had, and

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he said, Katie, have you thought yet that God can

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do incredible things, amazing things in places that the world

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may perceive as weak are actually places where He is

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the strongest. And you can do things right now to

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help Tony to grow in his to be confident and independent.

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but there are decisions you can make today to help

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start shaping his life. And she said, I had not

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thought of it that way, but because Pastor Frank had

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that conversation with my mom. It was one of those

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things where like your mindset, your ideas, your life is

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kind of going one way, maybe spear or pity or

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whatever the way that your feeling might be, but somebody

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gives you a different perspective, just a different idea that

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can help pivot you just enough toward a new track

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of thinking. And it changed her life just enough that

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she then encouraged me to do all the things we

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learned to do as we grow. And so I'm thankful

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to Pastor Frank for this day, for having that wisdom

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and for seeing something in a place that they had

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not yet seen, you know, as young parents.

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Well, I'm grateful for pastor Frank, grateful for your mom.

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You know, these these people are the mindset stuff is legitimate,

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and it's it's how you went from that to being

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on stage with jail role. But before we go there, like,

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let's let's like fill in the gaps a little bit sore.

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You grew up in a house where you like to

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play guitar. You wanted to like to walk me through

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how you got to the guitar, Like, how did you

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decide that this was what this was your instrument?

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Yeah, for sure. I love music.

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It's it's been a huge part of my life since

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as far back as I can remember. You can remember

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being encouraged in music as a young child in school.

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I can remember being told being told in class that

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it was like not singing time right now, Tony. You know,

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like because I always had some kind of song going

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on in my mind in my heart and wanted to

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just share it with people. And so I started playing

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the trumpets when I was in fifth grade. And I

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enjoyed that and enjoyed being in school.

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Band and jazz band.

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But when I got to middle school. I had a

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friend from school named Max who had an amazing talent

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for music. It's one of those gifts for music. He

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could hear a song off the radio, and before the

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song was even over, he could play it on a guitar.

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He didn't have to google it or like watch a

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YouTube tutorial. This is before all of that. He could

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just hear it and play it perfectly, just like it

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had just sounded like we were just listening to and

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I would even, you know, go through my seat collection

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and be like, could Max play this one? It's really

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this sounds really tough, and you know, I just thought

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it was the coolest thing I had ever seen in

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my life, and I wanted to be able to do

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that too. So the thing was is I had never

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if you've ever felt like your brand knew it something,

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that is exactly how I felt with guitar. I didn't

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know anything about guitars. So I went to the library

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where I grew up in Waukeshaw, Wisconsin, the Waukeshaw Public Library,

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and I picked out every book I could find about guitars,

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from who makes guitars to who plays guitars, what kind

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of wood they're made, of what kind of strings they have,

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what kind of electronics are in the inside that you

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plug it into a speaker and you can hear it

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in front of thousands of people. And as I flipped

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through the pages, I saw something that just.

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Lit up my imagination.

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Almost every single picture in the book demonstrated guitarist holding

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a guitar with their left hand and then making the

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sound strumming and picking with their right hand. But just

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full of pictures three that I can remember, looked the

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other way.

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They were making the sound with their left side and

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holding the guitar with their right, so it was called

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a left handed guitar. And I had never even heard

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of this before. It was this giant discovery, and there

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were these artists in there that you know, I was

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just coming to discover at the time, like Paul McCartney

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from the Beatles played left handed guitar, still does, Jimmy

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Hendrix played left handed guitar, considered one of the greatest

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guitarists who's ever lived. And then a little bit later,

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Kurt Cobain came along and played left handed guitar for

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the band Nirvana, And that was like my early inspiration

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when I saw those players, and I saw my friend Max.

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Then I had to make guitar a part of my life,

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and that was kind of that first chapter of learning.

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And then it was now I have to find one.

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So I went to the music store in my community

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and I had this big wall of guitars for sale,

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different colors and shapes and sizes, and I imagined different

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but there was only one left handed guitar on the wall.

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We're talking pre Amazon, We're talking pre just like find

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what you want at any time, one left handed guitar.

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And I turned the price tag over that it had

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on it. It was facing the wall, and I went

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up to it. I can remember turning it over and

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it said six hundred dollars. And I was in middle school.

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And the face that you just made and the sound

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you just made was the sound of my just like

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that wind going out of your sails, just like, oh man,

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six hundred dollars like that felt like a mountain. So

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I went to my parents and I said, hey, Mom

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and Dad, wouldn't it be awesome if you bought me

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a brand new guitar? And they said, well, we don't

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have six hundred dollars either, to just buy you a

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new instrument right now. Yeah, this is new to us

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as well. We tell you what, we'll meet you somewhere

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in the middle. But this is a really good time

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to show that if this is something you're serious about,

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that these are things in life that you have to

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start think about working toward. So I started working, and

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I got two jobs and saved and saved. There were

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jobs you could have in middle school. I babysapped for

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younger kids in my neighborhood. Saved everything I could get

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from Fridays and Saturdays. I loved playing soccer growing up,

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you know, it was like like a huge.

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Passion of mine.

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And I learned that referees are paid to be on

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the field. So I got certified to be a soccer

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referee and would referee younger kids games and save all

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that money. And then eventually I got to go and

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pick out my brand new guitar, and then I started

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to sit down with it and learn how to play.

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Music is everything, Like you, you have walked me through

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something that you were inspired by the music itself and

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you wanted to find a way.

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To like bring that to life.

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What role has music played in helping you maintain this?

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Like positive outlook on every thing.

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Well, music.

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Scientifically, you know, is it resonates with us. You know,

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certain frequencies make you feel a certain way, certain beats

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per minute in a song as they're mapped out. You know,

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some songwriters and producers and DJ has consciously build songs

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around what people will ultimately feel from the songs and

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the beats that they're producing and creating. So in those ways,

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music it automatically or is kind of built to affect us.

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And in my life, you know, there's been songs that

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I can recognize times where there's been songs that, depending

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on a phase of music I'm listening to impact me

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in ways where it's like I feel really good afterwards.

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And there's some songs that I've been like, I think

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I need to steer away from this style of music

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for a little while. I feel a little low after

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hearing you know this for a while, or maybe I

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did resonate with it for a while, But I'm kind

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of in a different place now, and I think it's

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interesting how as I've grown, and you probably speak to

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this in your life as well, that different songs speak

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to you at different times in your life and maybe

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even have seasons and.

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things about it, don't you think I do?

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I mean, music has a way of you know, there's

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a line I think in Stranger Things where I'm forgetting

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I think it was Robin. She said that music reaches

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parts of the brain that words can't, and it makes

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me wonder what you feel like, what you want, what

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you want people to feel when they hear your music.

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My music generally is specifically written and designed for encouragement

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and inspiration at its core. I have some songs that

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I've written for myself or maybe some of my oldest

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material that explores like a lot of different feelings and

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emotions in different ways. But because of the way that

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my life has moved from music as solely for my

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own songwriting and enjoyment to music as a purpose and

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as a mission, I spend a lot of my performance

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time and songwriting time working especially with students in schools,

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and a lot of the songs that I end up

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sharing or even crafting alongside them end up being sort

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of like anthems of positivity, of endurance, of it's not

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it's you know. I call it like eyes wide open,

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world tested positivity. You know, it's like, it doesn't mean

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nothing is ever hard. It doesn't mean you're not going

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to have difficult days. It doesn't mean that even as

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you're singing something encouraging that you're not saying it through

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gritted teeth at the time because you're frustrated about something.

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to be for those types of audiences and those types

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of places, and they can come from real places. I

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think that you can have an encouraging story or inspirational

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message that comes from a place that was a challenge

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for you that you're actually walking people through and they

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can resonate with in their own stories. So it's that's

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what I'm aiming for with my own songwriting.

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Well, you're putting pain in your your Transforming pain into

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purpose is what you're doing, and your goal is to

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encourage and inspire people. How do you stay encouraged and inspired?

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try to be It sounds kind of funny, but I

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try to be even disciplined in this because I think

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we have to be when you're thinking of mindset. I

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have to be disciplined in the way that I even

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organize my day for what I receive. First, if I

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wake up in the first thing I do is check

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how many people heard my last song on Instagram or

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what what's happening even in the news or anything like that,

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Like my day is already set up for like defense,

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like versus. Like I like to build my mourning around

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around faith. I try and have some chapters from my

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Bible that I read or listen to, and then I

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try and be in a book specifically before I go

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to podcasts. I am in an audiobook of some kind

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that's encouraging and faith filled and just backed with wisdom.

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that I've even more of that, and then I'm kind

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of ready for my day. So I try and start

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early so that I can put all that in, because

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you never know what your day is going to include.

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You know, when you when you go out and you

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start sharing things with the world, or when your kids

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wake up and they're sick that day and you're already

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thrown for the day of what your your plans were

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look different. So I think it's good to have that

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foundation first, and that informs the rest of my mindset

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for the day most of the time, and I end up,

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I think having a deeper well to draw from usually

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with that in mind, because I've if you're intentional about

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those things, then then it's this reservoir that you can

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you can keep going back to over and over, even

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even if you're feeling tired. There's just a little bit

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more in there than there is if you didn't start

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your day that way. Do you have a practice like

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that in your life too, or something you try to do?

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I do, you know? I think that what we consume

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is so important.

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Like I just I've gotten very intentional about protecting my peace,

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and like you said, you know, I'm I'm guilty of

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it too, where you get up and you look at

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your phone and like, did that TikTok video go viral?

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Am I famous?

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Now?

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You know?

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No, I'm not, And you know they have gone viral

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and I'm still not famous, and who cares?

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So I honestly feel like what you said about, you know,

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choosing to be intentional, choosing to consume things you know,

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I could be better at that person only, but at

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the the morning start. I'm not I need to I

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need to read The Five a m Club by Robin

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Charma again because that that book sets you up to

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change your life by shifting how you structure your day.

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But I I've been I've been struggling with it in

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the morning. I'm not gonna lie. It's been it's been

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a hard run with the mornings. I have been sleeping

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very well, but I do. I am very careful about

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what I consume. I've gotten to be, you know, I

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and I get I get in a little trouble with

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my friends and family about it because I don't always

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I don't always want to know everything that's going on,

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because if I do know everything that's going on, it

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takes me so dark, Like it's just because there's this

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I want to fix it.

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I want to help.

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I'm like in my I like I as I'm saying this,

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I feel it in my gut, like the world is

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heavy and it there's only so much we can do right, So,

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you know, but what we consume. Thank you for the

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opportunity to talk on it, because I do think that

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what we consume has so much to do with how

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productive we are, how happy we are how how much

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good we can put into the world, And so you

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have to be I think, in this day and age

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even more careful about you know what guardrails you have

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on that. So I'm curious, you know what did you like?

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How has your view of limits evolved and changed over

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over the course of your time and your success in music.

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Yeah, I don't know if I would call it maybe

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maybe even naivete like as I was growing up, or

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just it. I didn't consider limits very often. Like if

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I if I wanted to try to do something, I wanted

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to be the like the best I could be at

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that at that thing. Whether it was playing baseball, I

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wanted to play on the top team, I didn't.

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I didn't. It wasn't I just felt it was a

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positive drive too.

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It wasn't like a like a negative like I have

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to keep doing this, or like and from a non

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joyful place. It was like, I love being out here,

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I want to be the best I can be on

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this field, and I enjoy it.

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I love.

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I just had this endurance for those things. So, whether

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it was music or sports or those those are good

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teachers for limits because they push your ability as a

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as a performer or as an athlete to new places.

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You're always kind of striving to break limits in those

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In those how can you be as fast as you

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can be? How can you get an extra tenth of

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a second? Olympics are going on right now as we're

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recording this, you know, and I'm just fascinated by these

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These folks have spent you know, their last twenty five

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years of their life doing the same run down the

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mountain over and over and over, and it's going to

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be decided by a tenth of a second or one,

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you know, Judge's feeling of a style point, And I

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think that's kind of it's kind of fun and and

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I feel that same kind of made a kinship with

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people who strived for those things because I think it's

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fun to test limits and to see what is possible

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in life. I think that's something that just fuels me.

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Do you feel that way in your life too, with

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limits or like trying to strive to break through new

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things or even you know, in things in your home

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or in your friendships.

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Or I am super self limiting.

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I need to get out of my own way, and

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believe is the problem for me.

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So it's taken.

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Practice tony like goodness, gracious, it's taken practice. But I

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now one of my mantras is actually something that a

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coach in my workout app says, which is that impossible

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is just a big word thrown around by small people.

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And this is something that I adopt because I believe

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that God has a plan. And I actually jokingly talk

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about this not so jokingly, because God's plan for me

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I've always kind of brought to life in my mind

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as a little girl, as a teenager, as a as

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a mom, as a wife, and now trying to do this,

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I've I've talked about this yellow brick road, So I've

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talked about the idea of how God has a yellow

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brick road laid out for me, and I just keep

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showing up and sometimes those bricks fall out from under me.

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Sometimes those bricks feel very steady, and sometimes I don't

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know what is going to happen on that next brick,

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And that that's my that's my challenge, is figuring out

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like how to trust and how to keep showing up

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and how and knowing that there is a plan but

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not always seeing being clear on it is and having

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faith and keeping keeping going is my struggle, but I

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it's tough.

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Well, even in that same analogy, it's interesting too, do

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you find that as you're going down that yellow brick

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road that there's also like just like Dorothy had, there's

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there's kind of friends positioned along the way. Oh yes,

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their own unique ways that they end up walking alongside you,

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or like things that they need help with, things that

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you need help with that they're good at, that you're

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good at, you know, like that you can kind of

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do it together.

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Then I got chills, Tony, because yes, honestly, and that's

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that's kind of the whole point, isn't it? Like the

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connection is the point, Like the connection is the red thread.

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The fact that we're even talking today, I wasn't. I

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wasn't necessarily going to go here, but why not, let's

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let's go here. The fact that we're talking today dates

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back to high school for me, because your beautiful wife

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is an old.

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Dear friend of mine from high school.

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So and she has shown up for me in ways

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that are quiet but constant throughout forty I'm not forty

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years I'm forty years old, but you know, forout the

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last twenty years, she's shown up in ways that you know,

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don't necessarily they're not nothing big or like you know,

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I haven't gotten like you know, an edible arrangement or anything,

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not like obscene like that.

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But she's shown.

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Up and that does happen, and it's been you know,

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as I've started this podcast find even it's it seems

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to be almost like exponentially happening where the connection that

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has happened with each of my guests has been so

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special and not not one conversation that I've had so far,

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and I think you're maybe like guest number eleven or

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twelve or something, not a single one has felt we

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all want to keep we were like friends now like

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we were friends a little bit before to some extent,

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but like we keep we want to keep going, we

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want to keep talking, and every conversation is leading to

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the next thing, and every connection is leading to the

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next thing. So absolutely, and thank you for that, because yes,

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that is actually kind of aside from the faith part

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of it. You know, God gives you people in your life,

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and there's we have the gift of connection to so

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many people, and I think a lot of people kind

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of take that for granted.

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So yeah, well thank you, Yeah, thank you for sharing that,

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and now I'll look forward to sharing this when it

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releases with Leslie my wife you know, and you know

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her name, but for your listeners, but that she is

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that when you describe that, that she's there in those

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quiet ways, that's really powerful description of who she is.

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You know, she's just always she's steady and kind of

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like just aware of places of need and just shows

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up again and again.

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That's that's what she's like.

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Well that makes me wonder. Obviously you are grateful for her,

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but what else are you grateful for right now that

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you never want to let go.

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Of, never want to let go of.

468
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:37.799
Well, right now, I'm coming up and I haven't really

469
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:42.519
told my my immediate family knows this, but I'm going

470
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.160
to be going in to have my voice looked at,

471
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.400
which is something that I haven't had since I was

472
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.759
singing in high school. Just for like, I've been having

473
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.680
some struggle with my voice. It's just been losing it

474
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:59.839
more frequently from so I've been grateful for it in

475
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.960
new way because it's uh like it's something that's just

476
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.839
always been there and it's something that you know, I've

477
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.599
been singing, like I said, since I was a little

478
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:13.920
kid and uh and just just lately have have uh

479
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:16.960
maybe needed some extra help and maybe maybe a look

480
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.079
at what's going on with it. But because I because

481
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.839
I'm losing it more frequently. But I'm grateful for it

482
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.680
in a new way. I'm grateful for uh, you know,

483
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:30.240
big things, my my children, you know, my my two boys.

484
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:35.039
I'm grateful that that we have been intentional about the

485
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.920
life that we've built as a family. So that's uh,

486
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.240
we we kind of build our whole life around doing

487
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.759
mission and life together as our unit of four.

488
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:47.759
So we tour.

489
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:49.519
When I said, when you mentioned at the beginning that

490
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.240
we toured all those all those different states around the country.

491
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.839
My kids are seven years old and three years old,

492
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.279
and we've gone. Uh my my seven year old has

493
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.759
been to forty one states. I think he were Really

494
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:05.839
I'm really grateful for getting to experience the world and

495
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.440
new foods and new places and friends all over the

496
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.720
place with the people I love most, and getting to

497
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.880
share that adventure together with them. It's been something I'm

498
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.480
really grateful for and looking forward to in twenty twenty

499
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.799
six because there's even more touring and travel coming up

500
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.680
this year, and excited to see them get to enjoy

501
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:29.319
it with me and Leslie.

502
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:34.359
I love that. How is being a dad changed your

503
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:36.000
view on resilience?

504
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:43.200
Well, I'm a dad to two young boys, and I

505
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:50.160
am constantly reminded of my role in their lives. If

506
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.119
you're trying to be an intentional parent, which i am,

507
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.279
I've been praying over them and who they are, and

508
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.599
who their friends will be, and who their teachers will be,

509
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.079
and who they're you know, maybe their future spouse will be,

510
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.160
and what they're just what their lives will be since

511
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.000
before they were born and then they're here, and then

512
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:12.559
their immediate needs are mostly you know, you know physical

513
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:14.440
in nature. You know, they need to be fed and

514
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.400
changed and things like that, and and cared for and held.

515
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:19.319
You know that cares for lots of different things. But

516
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:23.920
then as they start to grow, I'm finding the amount

517
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.160
of time I want to be really intentional with conversation

518
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.160
with them, because just like we talked about before, what

519
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.400
we're what we're filled up with is a lot of

520
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.680
what comes out, and so I want before they get

521
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:42.319
filled up with with with anything else from TV or shows,

522
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:47.400
or or friends or anything that they have heard something

523
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.519
that their parents has to say about the subject. So

524
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:55.119
it's it's a lot of intentional conversation time. It's it's

525
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.720
kind of even even if you're tired, you're trying to

526
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.279
you're trying to you know, be filled with the spirit

527
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:05.920
to like, you know, just like sew into them a

528
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.039
little bit longer and a little bit more that day,

529
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:13.720
to to teach and to walk them through things, because

530
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.279
there are a lot of complicated situations and each of

531
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:20.440
them is very different, so like they are going to

532
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.240
need different things from me that challenge me in different ways.

533
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.720
There are things that I'm naturally gifted at that my son,

534
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.240
my oldest son and is the most clear example, has

535
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.160
struggled with so far. There's things that he's really good

536
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.200
at that that I have to like catch up on

537
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.160
even as a teacher for him. So I think that's

538
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.599
that's a really neat thing about the design of parenthood,

539
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.079
the design of family life is I think it's I

540
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.960
fully believe that I'm meant to be my son's dad,

541
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.480
I'm meant to be my you know, husband to my wife,

542
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.519
and the things that there are things in those relationships that.

543
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.039
Challenge me and will grow me in that way.

544
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.240
And there's things that I hope that I can that

545
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.279
are my natural gifts, are things I've learned through the

546
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.680
years that I can also impart in their lives.

547
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.240
Let's think about kid Tony, like, what would you tell

548
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.799
twenty two year old you if you could, well, twenty two.

549
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.039
Year old Tony was That was one of the tougher

550
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:19.880
years of my life because I was I graduated from college.

551
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.920
But there was also that was two thousand and eight.

552
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:23.680
It was the.

553
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.920
Season of economic downturn in the United States. The jobs

554
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.680
that I had been looking at to have lined up

555
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:34.279
were not exactly what I'd hoped they would be in

556
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.519
terms of I was engaged, which was a positive thing

557
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.519
from that year, but when I thought about what Leslie

558
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:43.640
was going to still be doing college for another semester

559
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.519
after we were married, so I was going to be

560
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.799
primary bread winner in our family, if you will, for

561
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.880
that season, and what was that going to look like.

562
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:55.960
The opportunities I was having were like for seven dollars

563
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.680
an hour in south southeastern or in southern California. I

564
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.599
was like, that is not going to work. And then

565
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.480
I ended up taking a job that was out of

566
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:08.960
music just to do something in work, and that was telemarketing.

567
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:15.440
Which was not in something I enjoyed very much. It's

568
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.359
really challenged me and I ended up getting fired from

569
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.119
my first job out of college, which was not a

570
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:24.000
good way to start my post college life as a

571
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.599
twenty two year old. I've felt that was probably one

572
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:28.519
of the lowest I've felt, because it was like I

573
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.640
felt like I was going to get I supposed to

574
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.480
be like we're getting married and I'm gonna, you know,

575
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.559
like and I had. I felt like I had nothing

576
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.440
two months before we were getting started. So I would

577
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.480
encourage him to, you know, twenty two year old Tony too,

578
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.920
to know that that experience is going to make you

579
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:55.880
stronger and to endure and to try and do it

580
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.559
do so gracefully, and to look for the Lord in

581
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.119
that season in a way that I maybe didn't at

582
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.799
that time, in the same way I have never strayed

583
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.319
from my faith in a way that I stopped going

584
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:09.279
to I never stopped going to church or anything like that,

585
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.039
but I can't say it was the closest I ever

586
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.960
felt in my walk at that time. So I think

587
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.119
those things, I think some practical things I would tell

588
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.720
twenty two year old Tony would be pay off the

589
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.519
student loans and start investing as soon as you can,

590
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.839
because that's going to make mountains of change later on.

591
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.200
And that was not my story at twenty two. It

592
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.599
took a few more years after that, and so I

593
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.319
don't look at it with regret, but I do look

594
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:37.440
at it as a source of wisdom, like that would

595
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.240
be wise to do, and I would encourage my own

596
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.759
children to do that if they were twenty two years

597
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.640
old and earlier. So just like that's like a mix

598
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.680
of kind of yeah, practical things and hopefully some wise

599
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.599
things that I can see now I'm forty as well,

600
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.119
some things I can see that would have been helpful

601
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:57.039
to know at twenty two.

602
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.240
Quick before you forget tony, Yes, what are what matters

603
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:03.480
most to you right now?

604
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:11.240
My family, my faith, and my mission? Those those three things.

605
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:18.359
Two to share the I even believe that part of

606
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.039
our mission is sharing like who we are as a

607
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.079
family with people, So like going out and when we're

608
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.240
when we're traveling and giving I give a speech and

609
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:28.720
then the people in the audience come and share how

610
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.319
some element of what I've spoken about, you know, has

611
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:33.680
impacted them that day. And then they get to meet

612
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.400
my my wife and my boys who are are standing

613
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.319
right there beside me, and there's just something really powerful

614
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:44.400
about about that experience together. And that's all built on

615
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.920
faith first, then family, then mission. Those are my kind

616
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:51.160
of three core values.

617
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.279
Hitting me straight in the heart with that, my goodness,

618
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.720
tell me more about somebody that came up to after

619
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.200
Is there a story that comes to mind that really

620
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:04.519
left an impact on you.

621
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.759
I try to encourage people in this a lot, because

622
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.559
we don't always get that person who comes up to

623
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.160
us after work. We do a lot of the work

624
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.960
that we do in our life. Is it can feel

625
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.680
thankless or it can feel like unseen. Possibly, But because

626
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.039
of the nature of some of my work, it's very

627
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.440
public facing. It's in front of people, and then there

628
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.319
are often meet and greets and things surrounding the types

629
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.000
of events that I do. So I get this immediate

630
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.039
opportunity to see their ripple that has just happened from

631
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:48.240
the words just spoken or the sentiment just shared. So

632
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:54.279
I have had students come up to me who have

633
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.880
said that, or teachers who are with them who said,

634
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:02.039
I've never seen students engage with a program like they

635
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:06.240
did today. This was just And I get to be

636
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.199
that spark in a classroom or in an assembly or

637
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.880
something where like I'm not the teacher who's there every

638
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.840
single day, you know, just like I'm not, you know,

639
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.320
It's it's that thing I get to come in and

640
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.519
do something different. Maybe it's something they haven't seen before

641
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.159
or thought of. Those types of things really encourage me

642
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.039
to keep going and to encourage others in the same way.

643
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.079
I I've had people come up and say, man, I

644
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:32.599
was feeling really low, I was depressed today, I didn't

645
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.719
even want to come to this event, and I did,

646
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.320
and I am. I know I'm supposed to have been here,

647
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.960
you know, and those types of things are really humbling.

648
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:47.840
It makes me feel like that same kind of discipline

649
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.360
that I talked about before, like please like like you know,

650
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.119
in the things that we do, please try to show

651
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.960
up as best as you possibly can. You don't know

652
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:01.840
what ripple is going to go out that day from

653
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.920
the encounters that you have, but I have seen it

654
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.679
and it's really powerful. Do you have opportunities like that

655
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:11.719
where you've had people come up to you and say

656
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.960
that that something you've you've written or said has impact them.

657
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.639
In a way that has it keeps me going honestly,

658
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.079
and I haven't. I've been blessed enough to not deal

659
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.400
with a ton of negativity or trolling on any of

660
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.800
my social media. I've been mostly blessed with direct messages

661
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.880
of any of this today to get out of bed,

662
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.400
like or you know, you made me smile, or you know,

663
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.880
just little little things that, honest to goodness, are a

664
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.679
big reason why I keep showing up, because you know,

665
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.719
it's easy to get stuck in that muck of trying

666
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:51.760
to reach all the people at once, and knowing that

667
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.880
you've touched or changed or had an impact on one

668
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:01.079
person that day is more than enough. So yeah, it's

669
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.280
very fulfilling when it happens. And it doesn't, I mean

670
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.440
it doesn't happen a lot, and that makes me even

671
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:11.239
more grateful when it does, because it's you know, it's

672
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.039
like fuel on the fire of my heart to keep

673
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.360
going and keep showing up and keep shining as bright

674
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.159
as I can. You know, Matthew Five's sixteen is kind

675
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.199
of one another one of like my mantras to be

676
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.679
the light right. And I've walked through some pretty pretty

677
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.199
dark things. I've had a lot of challenge and I've

678
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.559
had some serious health stuff. I haven't shared a ton

679
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.840
about it on the podcast yet, but I was very,

680
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.360
very sick, and it was you know, the doctors told

681
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.159
me at thirty five years old that I was going

682
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.000
to need a liver transplant and that I had soorrhosis

683
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:51.320
most likely, and I worked through that and now I'm

684
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.719
so blessed to share that I am healthy. My liver

685
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.360
is healthy, and God has done so much good in

686
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:02.559
my life to make that happen. And so I worked hard.

687
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.199
It was not easy, but I choose me over alcohol

688
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.199
every single day, and I do that through faith, and

689
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.639
you know, keep showing up on this yellow brick road.

690
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.519
So those people that cheer me on, you know, I

691
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.480
want to help people like I was, Like, I want

692
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.679
to help me five years ago, ten years ago, because

693
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.760
I was hopeless like I was.

694
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.360
I didn't think. I didn't see a way out. I

695
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:27.960
really didn't.

696
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.079
And you know, laying in a hospital bed thinking you're

697
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.679
dying because of something you did like that is heavy

698
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.239
and had I had to wrestle with that.

699
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:38.760
Nobody could wrestle with that but me.

700
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.480
So I you know, God has done amazing things to

701
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.000
help me heal and help me turn all of that

702
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.679
into something good that I'm now you know, putting into

703
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:52.360
the world because I believe that I'm legitimately like called

704
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.800
to share the story, but then to highlight and share

705
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:00.519
stories like yours with people because we all need there's

706
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.000
something in everybody's story that someone will resonate with, and

707
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.440
we don't always know what that's something is in the moment,

708
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.079
but you know, like you said, you have, You've had

709
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.039
a variety of different, you know, situations where people came

710
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.719
up to and said X, Y Z things, and that

711
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.079
that's why we always need to do that, Like, that's

712
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.960
why we always need to recognize and pay the compliment

713
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:21.679
and say the thing.

714
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.400
It might seem uncomfortable in the moment, but you made

715
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:25.920
that person's day, you know.

716
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.880
So there was a there was a challenge that my

717
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.119
first guest coach Doc put out there and he said, like,

718
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.719
just go up to a stranger and say something nice today,

719
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:40.280
like just like their earrings there, you know, like whatever.

720
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.880
It is, just to make a compliment.

721
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:44.760
A stranger today because you don't you never know what's

722
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.000
going on with somebody, you know, behind the scenes. So

723
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.960
it's it's it's an ongoing it's an ongoing thing. But

724
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:55.480
I do appreciate any and every time and truly, sincerely,

725
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.760
like deeply, anytime that anybody says anything positive, because it

726
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.000
is it is what we you know. It's almost like

727
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.519
like I said, like fuel, so.

728
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.960
Well, our words have power, you know, And and then

729
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.320
I think that's part of what that means, right, Yeah,

730
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.960
that they have power for good or not. And I

731
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.400
think that encouragement, uh, you know that written encouragement can

732
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.440
be just the spark that you need just just to

733
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.559
keep a little bit of gas in your tank, a

734
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.320
little bit of fuel to keep going that day and

735
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.360
to do the pod even if you're tired that day

736
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.960
or whatever, you know, whatever it is that that it's

737
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.280
that those things are there to help us.

738
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:29.639
And thanks for sharing that with me.

739
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.760
Well, thanks for listening, and thanks for asking. Honest said,

740
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.800
this is a fun conversation because we're talking, we're just

741
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.679
we're just two friends hanging out and with some cameras on.

742
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:39.679
It's it's all fine.

743
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:44.280
What's a part of your story that people misunderstand?

744
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:57.159
That people misunderstand.

745
00:39:53.960 --> 00:40:00.039
Something I see in the in the community that I

746
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.599
I'm a part of, in the limb difference disabute people,

747
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.440
you know, call it limb differences or disability, different different

748
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:09.679
things that people prefer to be called. But a way

749
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.480
that I think I'm a little different than than what

750
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.519
I see from a lot of people in that world

751
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.280
is that I believe that after I go out and

752
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.639
share my music or share my message, that it's not

753
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.159
fully in my control anymore after I've spoken it or

754
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.159
after I've played my song, and people come back to

755
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.920
me with their responses to what they've felt or experienced

756
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.440
from it. So a lot of people really reject, like,

757
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.840
I'm not inspiring just for like taking groceries to my

758
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.239
car or that's just my life.

759
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:41.239
You know.

760
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.920
They actually reject like the the label of being inspiring

761
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.719
to someone just for doing something that they ordinarily do.

762
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.400
But I kind of go back to what you just

763
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.840
said a second ago in that like maybe that person

764
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.000
really like maybe they were feeling even you know, in

765
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.840
their hearts, something even lower, something that they felt like

766
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:02.119
they really are struggling with, and and that was in

767
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.800
source of encouragement. So I try not to, Like, I

768
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.920
think there's there are some misunderstandings in the way that

769
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.440
that people try to control the way that their stories

770
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:18.360
are shared sometimes and I prefer to share and to

771
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.400
say the truth and to do it as kindly and

772
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.000
as boldly as possible. And then I sort of have

773
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:30.320
to let that go and let other people experience it.

774
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.559
And it's all going to get cut up in their

775
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:35.679
own experiences and their own backgrounds and their own pasts

776
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.480
and their own presence. You know, I can't control all that,

777
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.639
but I can control what I say in the first place.

778
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:45.239
So I do my best to say things as clearly

779
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.079
as possible. But it's funny. You've probably experienced this too

780
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:52.000
as a communicator. But I can spend dedicated time communicating

781
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.199
a passage, a thought, something i've I'll spend hours on

782
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.400
so like some even a nuanced thing, and somebody will

783
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.320
come back to me and it's like completely different than

784
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:05.000
what I had intended. And so like, I think it's

785
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.679
just a fascinating part of and I would encourage anybody

786
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.719
in the world to share a little bit and to

787
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.000
see how people do that with what you share, and

788
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.119
to see what they take away from it. It's always

789
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.000
it's out of your control. Eventually, some things.

790
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.079
Are, you know. I mean, it's what we do. It's

791
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:24.519
what we do with it that matters.

792
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.639
Do you have a song like a survival song, like

793
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:29.320
a song you put on when things are low, when

794
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.159
you're trying to hype yourself back up into getting going again.

795
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:40.119
Yeah, I the pandemic in twenty twenty. When I was

796
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.760
scheduled that year, I think to go to something like

797
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.519
nine countries for different missions that I was going to

798
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.000
be working on. And when I as for many of us,

799
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.360
as the news rolled around that that was not going

800
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.280
to be the case, that was a scary time and

801
00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:00.199
a frustrating time because I'd really felt like I had

802
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.440
had important work to do and had had worked very

803
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.440
hard for a long time to get to a place

804
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.320
where that was even a possibility to do those kinds

805
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.960
of things, and then to have it kind of paused

806
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:17.119
and then eventually even canceled, and then to have you know, a.

807
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.440
Little boy who was.

808
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.880
In my care and a wife, and like just thinking

809
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.400
of like what am I gonna do like as a musician,

810
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.679
and in this time, and I can remember that was

811
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:34.679
around the time, it was right around Easter Sunday. I

812
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:39.480
saw our church wasn't having services, but Elevation Church was,

813
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.559
and so I put that on as like a just

814
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.760
to watch what they were doing. And they were singing

815
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:52.800
graves into gardens, and it's this you know, this anthem

816
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.519
that that just had I think carried me through that

817
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.840
season in a way of of that put it. If

818
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.679
it has you know, fifty million plays, I swear I'm

819
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.119
ten thousand of them, you know, just from hearing it

820
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.039
over and over again, I just needed those messages of

821
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.599
times that the Lord had prevailed in times that I

822
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.079
can't the people couldn't see it at the time, you know,

823
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.800
talks about turning seas into highways and bones into armies

824
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:19.599
and being the only one who can do that. So

825
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.480
it was this way of returning to faith. And I

826
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.079
think that that in short time, even that just hearing

827
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.679
that a few times redirected my thinking the same way

828
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.440
that Pastor Frank did earlier in my life.

829
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:35.760
It was just like, no, like, let's.

830
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.840
See what I'm supposed to do in this season. Then

831
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.039
if that's if it's not meant to be touring in Africa,

832
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:43.480
how do I still do something in this time and

833
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:51.559
not not and not you know, succumb to to you know,

834
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.559
boredom or frustration too much, or you know, like what

835
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:58.599
can be found in this time? And so that was

836
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.960
that's what that's my anthem, I think from those days

837
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.559
and I would still say today.

838
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.719
Sure. I mean it's a great one and it's definitely

839
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.320
it makes me think about you know, twenty twenty was

840
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.840
challenging in so many ways, and now we're in another

841
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.800
kind of really challenging time. So I'm wondering if you

842
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:22.519
had a microphone or a megaphone to share one message

843
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.400
with as many people as you possibly could. Everybody's listening,

844
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.760
everybody's tuned into Tony right this minute, what would you say.

845
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:32.079
I would say.

846
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:42.480
To seek firmer and deeper foundations than the immediate things

847
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.719
that than we see in the world, and not to

848
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.800
minimize anything that's happening. There are a lot of things

849
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:52.760
happening at all times. I think it can be really

850
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.639
challenging as somebody in twenty twenty six to have the

851
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.800
access we have to everything happening all over the world

852
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.639
all the time, any time we want or need, or

853
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:06.440
or just pick up our phones or turn on the television.

854
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.719
There's always something bad happening anywhere in the world. You

855
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.639
don't have to go far to find it, and a

856
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.880
lot of what's out there is even that's that's the

857
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:18.039
way that the same way we talked about music being

858
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:22.400
something that really influences our our our you know, even

859
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.039
our our chemical and physical makeup. That's a lot of

860
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:28.920
ways that people position stories to to communicate to us

861
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:35.320
and negative and dangerous you know, dangerous and challenging things

862
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:39.599
do really like spike things in our chemical makeup that uh,

863
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:41.760
you know, that that get us fired up.

864
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:43.039
So I would.

865
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:46.519
Encourage people to anchor into thinks, you know, something deeper

866
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:51.400
than today. That's that's key for I think understanding the

867
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:54.719
way that the world is operating now and and especially

868
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.079
in a historical context, there is a lot we can

869
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:59.079
be grateful for.

870
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:00.320
Today that.

871
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.119
Wasn't true even in my grandparents' lifetime, you know. There,

872
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.320
you know, I can I can think of you know,

873
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.760
my grandfather was a World War two veteran and he

874
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:18.679
saw hell on earth there, you know, and just knowing

875
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:23.360
that that that's not that long ago. But but like

876
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.280
there's always been things happening at all times in history,

877
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.760
you know. And and just to uh again, I'll say

878
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.960
it a third time, just to anchor in something deeper

879
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.079
and and older than ourselves, some sort of wisdom. For me,

880
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:39.159
it's the Bible, and that's that's how I not only

881
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.880
start my day, but build my life on it as

882
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:45.599
a as a foundation, because those other things will challenge us,

883
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.320
they will pull us. But when you have that as

884
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.400
your anchor, you can see that like there's always been

885
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.920
things happening all the way back in the in human

886
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.679
history and this is this is I also take comfort

887
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:57.880
in knowing that we are built for the time that

888
00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:58.280
we're in.

889
00:47:58.840 --> 00:47:59.920
There's something about you.

890
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:03.280
And the story that you have and the methods that

891
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.519
you have to share at the mediums that is meant

892
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.400
for this time. And I do find that encouraging.

893
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:15.760
Amen, thank you for that. Yes, that's goods. Catch us up, Tony.

894
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.920
So we talked about twenty twenty and now we're in

895
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:20.360
twenty two.

896
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:21.960
Sucks. Catch us up.

897
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.079
How did we How did we land on the stage

898
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.480
with Jelly Roll? Talk us through that story.

899
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.840
Well, this is a Leslie story because she in her

900
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.679
kind of social media searching, she has been our in

901
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:41.199
our professional life. Leslie helps coordinate all of our program

902
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.000
or lots of our programs that we do around the world,

903
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.199
and a couple of years ago she came across this

904
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.880
group that was starting called the Choir Room, which is

905
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.360
based in Nashville and it was this nonprofit that started

906
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.360
to basically make music available to UH. As you go

907
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.320
out into the to the world, there are maybe aren't

908
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.000
as many opportunities to be involved in music like you

909
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.119
might have had when you were a student, for example.

910
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.400
So you know, when I was in high school, I

911
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:12.000
got to, you know, play my trumpet at lambeau Field,

912
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.800
and when it was Miller Park Miller Park, and I

913
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.159
got to sing and at the Performing Arts Center in Milwaukee.

914
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.320
I got to do all these all these different things.

915
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.880
But I had to seek that in music as an adult.

916
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:26.360
But like a lot of people, as they go out

917
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.280
and they're not in choirs anymore and things, there's not

918
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:31.119
as many opportunities. So this choir room started to do

919
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:34.440
that and they started by just getting together and singing,

920
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.320
and then they became a recording ensemble. And I started

921
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:41.119
joining the choir room to go and meet up with

922
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:45.280
them and singing tenor in their group, and then had

923
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.039
some really cool opportunities this year to sing with a

924
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:53.119
number of different artists in the recording studio, and then

925
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:58.199
that has also translated to the stage. So we last

926
00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.960
year I got to sing at the Grand Old Opery

927
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.800
for the first time, and this year in twenty twenty five,

928
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.719
I got to sing at the Bridgestone Arena here in Nashville.

929
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.920
There's it's like the biggest arena in town, you know,

930
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.679
for the professional hockey team, and it's like twenty thousand

931
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:16.360
people or so, I think when the you know, all

932
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.239
the seats are out and it's set up for a concert.

933
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:21.000
And I got to sing at the Dove Awards as

934
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.639
part of the choir room with Brandon Lake, John Batiste

935
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:30.079
and Jelly Roll, which was just a blast. And those

936
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.400
those guys were so so cool. I felt like they

937
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.159
really lived the things that they speak and sing about

938
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.000
in a really interesting way. They just beyond just like

939
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.880
charismatic figures. I think they were really genuine in there,

940
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.760
the way that they communicated and everything, which was really

941
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.880
neat to see and what.

942
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.519
A blast to be a part of that. Just really cool.

943
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.800
Well, now that we're caught up, I want us to

944
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.360
end up picture your eightieth birthday. I know, I know,

945
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.559
I know we're ways away, but tell me who's there

946
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.000
and what you want them to be saying about you.

947
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:11.559
Well, that's a that's a great question, you know' I

948
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.400
believe you know, we're not promised tomorrow, so if I,

949
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.719
but I also want to have a long lens of

950
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.159
what life looks like because decisions we make today impacts

951
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:21.000
our future.

952
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Selves in the in that way.

953
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And I am inspired by people that I see who

954
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:33.079
take their eighty you know, their eighties as like not

955
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:39.239
only an opportunity to relax or to you know, to stop,

956
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:43.840
but to go and to be sharing and wise and

957
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:48.239
productive in interesting new ways. They're they're writers, they're speakers,

958
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:53.159
and I find so much joy and uh and wisdom

959
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:54.960
and what they share. And so I'm encouraged by those

960
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:59.119
examples that I have seen and would would think that

961
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.199
would be something to live up to. And I would

962
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:04.000
love if it is, you know, if God willing and

963
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.519
the creek don't rise, that my family is still with me.

964
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.679
Uh you know, Leslie would be eighty as well at

965
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.480
that time, and my boys would be forty seven and

966
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.159
forty three. So that's that's wild to think about as well.

967
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.559
But if we could, uh you know, if I and

968
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:24.280
if I could be in their lives in a big

969
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:27.679
way still and be impacting them in the in the

970
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.679
what that relationship becomes as they leave the household and

971
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:34.119
start their own lives and uh and Leslie and I

972
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:35.960
moved to the next chapter of what that would be.

973
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.199
That would be a very rewarding time to be still

974
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:41.719
very productive in mission in what what that looks like,

975
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.159
and and to be you know, a leader from my

976
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.920
family in my eighties. That would be wonderful.

977
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:49.639
That's beautiful.

978
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:51.440
That's a beautiful thing to think about, honestly.

979
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:52.800
And you did that quick math.

980
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:55.719
I I kind of like I was trying to think,

981
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:57.440
like to do the math with my boys, and I

982
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:58.320
couldn't do it.

983
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:03.280
Yeah, well, okay, so fortunately it's like we all just

984
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.199
had three of us just had birthdays, so like I'm

985
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:09.480
like birthdays on the brain from November and December, so

986
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:11.920
and I'm forty, so like it's kind of like I'm

987
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.079
like just adding their age to mind.

988
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.920
Yeah, I guess it's easier math than maybe some might think.

989
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.440
But I still I like, math is not my thing.

990
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.440
I've been bad at math my whole life. And I

991
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:25.400
was just very impressed that you just like had those

992
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:30.119
numbers ready to go. Oh man, Tony, you are a treat.

993
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.039
I have had such a fun time. I am so

994
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.519
grateful for you. The first, like several guests on the

995
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:41.199
show have all just been so special, and I my goal.

996
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:45.440
For the first few episodes was to really be grateful, honestly,

997
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.079
because I am just very grateful for the opportunity to

998
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.559
have this platform and to be growing this baby of

999
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.360
a podcast.

1000
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.960
And you know, I'm just I wanted to say thank

1001
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:59.440
you for your energy, for everything, all the all the

1002
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.559
good that you put into the world. We need more

1003
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:04.480
Tony in this world, like we just do.

1004
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:05.880
And I'm very.

1005
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.159
Grateful for the good that you that you pour out

1006
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.480
and seek to create. It's it's a beautiful thing. So

1007
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.519
is there anything that I didn't ask you that you

1008
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.159
want it that you would like to share?

1009
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:20.599
I think you've pretty much said it all.

1010
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.800
I mean, this has been a really good conversation and

1011
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.880
I feel like we could we could talk all even

1012
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.239
though we feel like we said it all, I feel

1013
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:28.760
like we could talk all day at the same time.

1014
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:33.000
I I love just, you know, having these opportunities be up,

1015
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.840
you know, a jumping off point with people. So if

1016
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.480
if folks want to connect with me further, or I

1017
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.599
try to respond to every comment on my social media

1018
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:45.840
posts and and d ms and things like that. I

1019
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.599
try to be really intentional with all that. So if

1020
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.239
you want to find me on on those those really

1021
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.039
any platform out there, I would love to connect with

1022
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.280
you further and say, say where you came from so

1023
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:56.840
so we can keep the conversation going.

1024
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.039
Well, maybe we'll just have to have you back.

1025
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:03.360
On Hey, there you go. I would love that.

1026
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Until then, thank you for being here and we'll see

1027
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:11.239
you next time on Quick Before You Forget. Thanks, thank

1028
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.079
you for being here with me today on Quick Before

1029
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:14.519
You Forget.

1030
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.280
Please like, share.

1031
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.920
And subscribe as that helps the show so much and

1032
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.559
I really appreciate it. And I'll see you next time

1033
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on Quick Before You Forget.