When Your Ex Turns Your Children Against You [Ep.754]

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You're in a good place now.
You are listening to Perspectives with Ashley Burgess.

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Welcome back Live to Libera True life
Perspectives and I'm your host, Ashley

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Burgess. On today's show, I'm
going to be discussing parental alienation, explaining

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what that is and the signs of
it. And I have someone joining me

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the show today Live to discuss parental
alienation and their experiences through that. And

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many of you are experiencing that right
now. You're going through a separation,

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a divorce, and you're dealing with
this. Your kids have turned against you.

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You're trying to figure out what's the
situation, what really happened, Why

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did this happen? You know,
just a few months ago, my daughter,

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my son was so happy to see
me. Everything was going well.

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We had great visitations, great times
together, just hanging out, having a

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great time. And now it's like
point teeth. It's like they don't want

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to talk to me, they're not
happy with me, seems to be avoiding

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my calls. When I do hang
out with them and spend time with them,

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it takes an hour to break that
shelf. Some sort of issue that's

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going on. And this is parental
alienation. We're going to explain what that

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looks like. And so many of
you that are dealing with this, you

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can learn from this, understand from
this, and then see what you need

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to be doing, maybe to safeguard
yourself or to make changes to your situation,

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you know. And with parental alienation, it's when the other parent right

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the other, whether it's the mother
or the father, it's talking negatively about

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the other parent, negatively and trying
to turn the child against that parent.

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It's a strategy to damage that relationship. And that's what that is all about.

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And it happens all the time.
And you might have had a great

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relationship with your kid prior to this, and you don't even understand what's happened,

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what's changing the relationship, And all
of a sudden things change automatically.

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It's like one hundred and eighty degree
turn and you don't even understand what's happened

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because you haven't done anything wrong,
you haven't hurt the child, you haven't

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been in the negative. But things
have been said about you that you don't

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even know exist. So that's we're
going to be talking about today. So

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there's five signs of parental alienation.
Children are usually angry with the parent that

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the other parent has turned them against. You know, the other parent attempts

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to keep the child away from that
parent that is being being alienated. There's

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negative statements said about that parent to
the child behind the other parents back.

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You know, it's interesting too,
is that when all this is happening,

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you know, the child at one
point in time, you know, was

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happy with everybody, everything was fine, and now because mom or dad is

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feeding this information to them, that
particular child even appears guilty when spending time

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with the parent that has been alienated
because you know, they feel bad because

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they're hurting mom and I'm putting air
quotes or they're hurting dad air quotes.

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And also that parent is making false
accusations even possibly about mental, emotional or

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physical abuse, you know, targeting
that parent that they are alienating. So

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this is very important to understand because
if you're going through this, or you

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have a friend or a family member
that's going through this, you want to

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share this information with them, Get
this show to them, share them the

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link to the show. It's on
you know, it's on air, it's

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on the radio live, but it's
also podcast form. So you can share

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this evergreen content with them for them
to hear it, to understand it,

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even to share this with legal counsel
or their lawyer so they understand what they're

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dealing with. Now, joining me
live in studio is someone that's been dealing

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with it live Live in real Time
twenty four to seven, and Will's joining

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me live here on Live Your True
Life Perspectives. Will so glad to have

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you on the show. Thanks for
coming on. Well, thank you so

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much, Ashley. I'm happy to
be here and share a little bit of

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story for people so they can put
this in perspective. I hate to say

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it, but like, if you're
getting experience this, it's going to be

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a miserable, a miserable situation where
you don't really understand what's going on because

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you've had this great relationship with your
child and they love you and then they

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don't love you, and it's it's
it's very sneaky and sly how it goes

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down, incredibly incredibly painful. You
got these little kids, and I love

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dad and I like hanging out with
dad, and then slowly the phone calls

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aren't picked up. The little social
media avenue that you used is no longer

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available where you could see your child. And in my my, my situation,

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I was working on the road,
so we depended on these things to

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be able to communicate. And one
by one they're clipped off. Why were

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they clipped off? How did this
happen? We know how it happened,

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but it did, it happened.
It's very and it's very hard to recover

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from it. Which way do you
go? How do you get your child?

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Old back? Um? What what
legal ways can I can I use

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to find my child? I miss
my child? Where where did this come

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from? And you know, you
know, you know that there's trash talking

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going on? How else does this
happen? We'll get into that, won't

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we, Oh for sure. And
I'm so glad you came on the show

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because I think that a lot of
people don't really understand what's happening. And

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I think it happens, and it
happens, it's like it's like so quick,

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and you don't understand. All of
a sudden, the next thing you

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know, you're seeing your child,
you're having that time with them, and

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it's just so distant. It just
seems so distant, so incredibly distant,

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And you know, that's our greatest
currency is time. So when you think

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about your time and you're going through
a divorce, everything takes time. Anybody

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going through a divorce understands that,
oh my god, I'm getting robbed all

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this money and everything takes time and
every every moment is billable. Well,

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they set it up in a certain
ways that you don't get to talk to

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your children through this divorce. Everything's
set up in a certain way that's not

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beneficial to me. I'm not saying
anything about men or women, but it

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was not beneficial to me trying to
talk to my kids. Well, you're

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not allowed to talk to your kids
during this period of time. So the

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other person's talking trash about me myself, talking trash about me, dragging my

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name through the mud and doing it
in front of everybody, including my children.

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So and getting upset during this.
So when when when you go through

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that, you're you're you're sitting there
saying, what the hell happened? Well,

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mom's been telling everybody to destroy Dad. Now the kids got a bad

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taste in their mouth. I don't
want to upset mom. And that's really

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where it at the beginnings of this
monster, that the thing's become where it

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comes from. Well, and you're
right, and I want to break that

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down real quick, so everybody that's
listening, the whole concept is is that

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you know, whether it's mom or
dad, that's um, you know,

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turning the children against the other parents. What happens is if they start you

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know, sharing these this negative information
usually false of information, all false information,

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and then they start crying about it
or get emotional and you know,

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and share this with the kid and
then the kids ultimately wanting to do what's

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right or feels very um, it
feels very kind of stuck in the middle,

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stuck in the middle, and also
very protective of the parent that's upset

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exactly. So you create this narrative
which is false. You know, we're

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Mom's crying and having you know,
a little bed party with the other kid,

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and oh, I can't believe dad's
left us because Dad's miserable in the

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marriage. But they create this this
terrible narrative where I'm just this evil monster.

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And I can tell you right now, I'm not an evil monster,

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but that's been created for me children
that there's there's just no way. I've

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got all the videos on my telephone
prove that I was not a bad father.

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I love my children. There's no
If you have children, you understand

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what I'm talking about. Well,
in the issue two that we're dealing with

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their children, you know, their
brains are not fully developed. I mean,

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you know until a certain age,
and these kids are far from fully

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developed brains, and they're being told, you know, certain things over and

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over again to make them believe a
certain concept about the other parent. And

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if you keep telling somebody over and
over again negative things about that other parent,

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eventually you're either going to believe it
or you're gonna be so stuck and

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feeling like you got to take up
for whatever parent is telling you these types

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of things. And you know,
custody agreements or custody agreements. Some of

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my kids are with their mother ninety
percent of their time, right, so

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how do I even compete with this
kid? It's it's it is next to

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impossible. And then you're stuck in
the legal system. What are we gonna

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do here. We're gonna hire an
attorney, We're gonna spend a bunch of

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money. We're gonna create more bad
memories that reinforces what is already going on.

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Which way is up? We'll figure
that out in time, because I'm

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still like, like she said,
this is this is live, this is

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part of my life. Right now, I'm battling to try and see my

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own children with a court order force? How do you use that court order?

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That can be scary too, because
it all validates what mom's doing.

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You get the sheriff to come over
and provide your children, your your visitation

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right to your children. Well,
how's that going to go. You're gonna

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have an upset mother. You're gonna
have upset children because they don't want to

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upset mom. It is really a
deep, dark rabbit hole. M yeah,

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because then if you do that and
then there's like some force that's being

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used, and then it's like,
oh, yeah, dad's controlling, that's

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this, that's that. Oh look
look he's controlling. He's controlling you,

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absolutely absolutely, So which which way? Which way do you go with this?

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Or if you don't do anything?
So you're like, oh, he

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doesn't care about you. Are so
painted into a corner, it's unbelievable.

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And look, he doesn't care about
you, he doesn't calls you, he

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didn't do this, he didn't try. So it's it's really a catch twenty

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two, Which which direction do I
go with this? And how do I

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handle it? And I've found how
do I get peace in my own life?

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In my own life? I just
lost my children? My children,

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I lost them, They're gone.
Don't pick up phone calls to try and

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try and pick up the phone and
call your child and goes right to voicemail.

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Who's in charge of that? I'd
love for someone I know who's in

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charge of it. A person is
in charge of their technology. It is

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wild because now we're even at a
bigger disadvantage because you have to have a

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parent that's in charge of your technology. So Dad can be turned off just

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like that, exactly, cut out, cut out, cut out one.

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Just so everybody knows. Uh.
It's been since twenty twenty one that I've

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talked to one of my daughters.
We had a great afternoon, but their

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mother flipped out and created a very
bad situation that that daughter has not talked

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to me. We'll not pick up
the phone in a couple of years.

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It's very painful. It's a it's
a bummer. My other daughter, who

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was stronger, has recently been canceled. I've been canceled by her mother.

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Phone goes right to voicemail. Can't
get her on any social media outlets,

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and I know she hasn't. It's
it's poor parenting and it's poor practice.

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Who doesn't, who doesn't need a
mom and a dad? It just contributes

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to the rot of our society.
Well, and it's interesting too, like

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you said, like with one of
your daughters, it's been along, it's

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been a while since you've seen her
um And then you all had a really

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good experience. You had a really
good time, and then that was it,

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right, it was great. I
mean we were out at a fishing

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pond having a good time, and
time got a little away from us.

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We didn't have any of these agreements
by the court when it happened, and

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I got a phone call with her
mother being an irate I'm gonna call the

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police and all this, all this
stuff that really was unnecessary and it really

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created a traumatic situation for the little
girl. And that was it. I

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have not spoken to her since.
She did answer me once and said please

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stop. Oh wow, And it
was heartbreak and this is my child,

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Like are you kidding? We have
bad time when we hang out, you

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know, at least talk to me, somebody talk to me. And and

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it's wild how it works out.
It is, everything is okay, maybe

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not the best. You know,
parents and children have their problems just like

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anybody else. But when when this
happens, it ends up that you were

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you were black bald from your own
children. M And that's interesting. It's

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like the fact that y'all have this
great time. You know, you weren't

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thinking about it's not a big deal, and this is your child, and

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next thing you know, she's calling
you. You're seen to be excess calling

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you, you know, threatening the
police involvement, all that kind of stuff.

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And then that's what happens. And
I'm not going there. I'm above

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that. That's that's it's nonsense,
it's not worth it. Nobody wants to

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be involved with the law on that
level. And and but it creates a

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situation where you might need to use
that. Nobody wants to use that.

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No one wants to use that.
So stay tun When we were turning to

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be talking more about principal alienation,
we're gonna be talking about Will's story.

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What's really happening here to understand that, because that can really you know,

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can neck with many of you out
there. Unfortunately, this is a real

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thing. Unfortunately, this is happening
all over and kids are losing one of

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their parents and and like Will said, it's you know, it's one side

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or the other. Do you know, do you go after them, you

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know, illegally and they create more
of this or do you step back and

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possibly be painted into another corner?
And we'll be talking about that. We'll

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be talking about understanding like the changes
so that you can start seeing like the

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changes that are happening and be able
to be aware of what's happening, be

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able to see the changes in your
interaction with your children, and being able

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to acknowledge that. Will is also
going to be discussing, you know,

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the kind of the order of the
changes in how it began. So stay

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tuned if you don't want to change
the channel, because we're going to be

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talking about that and also court options
as well, because this can be very

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Welcome back live to Literal True Life
Perspectives, and I'm your host,

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Ashley Burgess. On today's show,
we're examining parential alienation, understanding it,

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defining it. Will join me in
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So will you know when when this
parential alienation began? What were some of

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the changes that you saw when it
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children, right, it's it's never
divorced, is never a good deal.

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It's it's always it's very ugly,
it's dirty laundry airing. Um. And

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when there's children involved, um,
maybe you take your eye off the ball.

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I try not to take my off
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it took my eye off the ball
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you know, I had I had
Skype addresses and telephone numbers and all these

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avenues to end promises, promises from
my ex wife. I'd be able to

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talk to those kids and see those
kids whenever I wanted. And slowly,

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uh, you know, my phone
calls would go un answered. My children

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stopped calling me all together. It
was always dad reaching out and and very

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it was like a slow burn,
uh and and and eventually it's like,

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Okay, I'm only getting to talk
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then once every three days, and
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once every every other and then it
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whole time that this is going on, when you wake up to it,

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you understand there's somebody talking about me. I had one experience where my daughter

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called me in the middle of the
night. She was ancomfortable situation and uh,

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she needed her dad and she called
me, and I was like,

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are you okay? Why are you? Why are you calling me from a

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dark room? It was weird.
And that was one of the last actual

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times that this little girl called her
father, and I I'm sure that it

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was cemented with with some other falsities. What do you think was going on

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in that moment when she calls you? Uh, from what I know,

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they were at a hotel and whatever
was going on at that hotel was uncomfortable

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to her and she was it was
probably strange new people and who knows what

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was going on, but the little
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But that that kind of thing doesn't
happen anymore. So we've been cut off

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via any social media, even the
clean ones you know, like Skype's pretty

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clean, Yeah, pretty clean for
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like even to dirty ones that I
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like a snapchat where if their number
is in my contact, they're actually using

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an app. I can't get them
there. I can't get them over the

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phone. I cannot get a hold
of my children. Maybe via snail mail,

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but mom is picking it and throwing
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So it is very real, and
it it happened like it all of a

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sudden. I'm scratched my head here
where are my children? What are they

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doing? What's going on? What
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that I know that people have androids
and apples and everything, but you know,

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I know that particularly we've talked about
this. Will you know you have

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Apple? I do. I have
an iPhone. It's a great little piece

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of equipment. And so they have
Apple too, and they're minor, they're

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miners, right, so you can't
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a you know, I know that
kids are smart, and I'm not discounting

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any kids that aren't listening to this, but but for sure, like a

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kid, they can they can do
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But there's no way that my nine
year old child is shutting shutting off my

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my I message to her and making
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to call her, it goes directly
to voicemail. The kid is just not

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not going to do that. No, So it it's very control like.

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The control thing here is wild.
And it's also wild that I saved a

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voicemail in the heat of our divorce
that she promised me she was going to

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do this. Oh interesting, she
sure did. She promised she said,

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if your behavior I don't like you, you are never going to see your

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children. Well, so you have
an actual proof of that. Yeah,

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I mean I had a high conflict
of others, but I have the proof.

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It doesn't do any good. And
I'm sure when we get back we're

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gonna talk about legal ways we can
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all know how what a pain in
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be right back. But in the
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I mean, you can't prove this
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so hard about with the eye cloud
and the eye. Message is that you

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can you know that the kid's not
doing it, but it's so hard to

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proof who's doing it, who's in
control, who's in control? And this

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is all about control because remember they're
already divorced, so it's not about the

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money, it's not about the house. It's now about the kids. It's

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the one thing that she can control
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you don't want to change this channel. We got a lot more coming up

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Literature Life Perspectives with me, your
host, Ashley Burgers, will be back

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in I'll be back this time,
but back this time in two shapes.

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This is Jake Busey and you're listening
to Perspectives with Ashley Burgess. Welcome back

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live to Literature Life Perspectives and I'm
your host, Ashley Burgess. On today's

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show, we're talking about parential alienation, understanding it, what it is,

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and how to deal with it.
Will is live in studio with me,

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and will you know I have a
question because I think this is very important.

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When we talk about separation, we
talk about divorce, you go through

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the process. You know, when
you brought this up, I'm assuming to

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your lawyer, how did they respond
about the prince alienation. Okay, so

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this is for everybody out there dealing
with lawyers. This is where it gets

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real fun. So you know,
you send an email, you get a

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twenty dollar bills. It's how the
system works. But I had I have,

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I have a good attorney. I
don't have anything bad to say about

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her. I am divorced. She
got the job done, but I'm still

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dealing with this. This piece about
my children, about what happened was she

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she said, hey, well,
you know what, I'm gonna need a

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week or two. I'm going to
reach out to some colleagues that's specialize in

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this. And when you look at
the law, it's unfortunate they call this,

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they call this uh cutting edge because
they don't understand how to deal with

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it. Because the law is black
and white. You have these agreements and

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this it's black and white, and
the law doesn't know how to deal with

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it. But there are some attorneys
out there that um that's specialize in this

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this kind of litigation. You got
to find them cost money and by this

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time, just like myself, I'm
so drained with what's going on that it

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makes it it makes it even more
difficult and you better uh cross your t's

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and dot your eyes and have excellent
record keeping of you know, I called

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on this, you know, callgogs, text messages, um not only between

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whatever however you tried to reach your
child, but how you tried to reach

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out to your ex and in my
case, this person is non responsive.

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But that's that's besides the point.
You better have good records of it,

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and you better get your wallet out. Probably costs five ten grand, and

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at this point it's very unfortunate that
it's sort of like just drawn blood.

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The damage has been done because we
can force this, but like, what

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good is forcing and if this damage
has been done, so, yes,

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there's definite options of forcing it.
There's definite options of using the legal system

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in your favor. But because the
parental alienation, that's the issue. So

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the overarching issue for everybody that's listening
to the show is that the other person

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has painted, you know, the
parent that they're alienating into a certain corner,

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making them sound a certain way,
be a certain way based on these

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false allegations that are being made.
And so if you force more child visitation,

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what does that look like? You
know, I don't think it looks

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good at all. Un I can
exercise my court order all day long.

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I've I've taken the time to call
the sheriff department and speak to a deputy,

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and the deputy said, absolutely if
you have if you have a valid

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court order, we will go get
your children. And I took it.

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I took a chance, and I
asked the deputa. I said, how

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does that work out? And he
said, not good. It is a

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traumatizing event. It doesn't look good
for you. It doesn't look good for

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us because we have all this other
stuff in the country with police, so

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we're gonna we're gonna create a traumatizing
event for a child that involves police and

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their father. How does this work
out good? And he was just being

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honest. I will do my job
for you, mister will and I can

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use it. I can exercise it. I'm very apprehensive to do so because

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of the damage that it will cause, and it validates, it validates everything

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that she says, and then it
creates this traumatic event and the kids have

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been through enough. I just want
to see my kids, you know,

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and have a nice time. Someone
who doesn't want that to happen. And

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that's interesting because I'm glad that he
told you the truth, because that is

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something to be said about that,
because you're right, it's a it's a

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traumatizing event. It involves their father. Then you have this this false narrative

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that's going on in the background to
make you look bad. And this goes

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so much farther than parental alienation.
It is familial alienation. Uh when you

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get blackballed, Graham and Grandpa get
blackballed, aunt's uncle's friends, everyone gets

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blackballed. And uh when when they
paint this picture to make you this awful

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person, everybody gets they all get
shown the door like they didn't even exist.

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And it's it's incredibly painful for anybody
out there listening, Like, Yeah,

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my father's eighty five years old,
he's not well. He doesn't even

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know his grandchildren because she won't give
them up. In particularly where I live,

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they're only seven miles away. What
kind of awful person does this?

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Not only do the father, but
like to people who that are end of

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life, the end of life thing
is is kind of a wild thing.

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You know, how how how how
evil can you be? Well, let's

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step into that real quick, will
so you know back before y'all are you

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know getting separated by before the divorce. Let's talk about how your kids and

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how everything was with your parents.
I didn't think it was bad. I

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got videos and stuff like they were
happy. Yeah, I'm not like,

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I'm not a bad guy, and
mom and dad aren't bad people. Like

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we go a whole horse farm.
It's kind of a cool little thing,

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especially for little kids. Like who
doesn't want to go over to grandma's house

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and write a pony right for real? Right? Unbelievable, But that's not

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cool, Like, that's that's not
good. Who doesn't want to go hang

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out by the pond and and you
know, jump in the water and try

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and catch minnows and and and go
fishing and stuff. And the last one

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of the last visits I had with
him, that's exactly what we were doing.

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And it was a great time.
And it was all ended in this

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this giant traumatic event. And and
and that show one of my daughters down.

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They really did it, I mean
done. I'm not going to do

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that again. I'm not going to
upset my mother when it was me who

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upset mom? But how how did
how did these children become such ponds?

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Well? And then also the background
behind the pringil alienations you. For everybody

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that's understanding this is that one seriod
of It's not about the money. It's

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not the house, not the car, it's nothing like that. Now,

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the only thing that this person has
control of is the kids. It's my

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children. And it's like, so
if we're playing level five chess and I

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can't win the game, let's let's
get some children involved. I will,

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I will maime, I will maame
this man with his children, and it's

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what's it's what's happened to me is
I'm trying to move on with my life.

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And what's unfortunate is how do you
start over at forty two, forty

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three years old. I'm too old, will want to make any more babies.

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I don't have the time to pick
the right woman this time. What

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do you do? Yeah, it's
very difficult kind of thing. And I'll

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make it through the other side,
and some day my children may come back

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around. They may not. It's
it's it's really a poisoning of the soul

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and you don't know, and you
have to kind of basically wait it out

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because like what the sheriff is talking
about and what you knew, right,

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it's just it's just a terrible situation. Like you're damned if you do.

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You are damned if you don't.
Well, you didn't fight for me,

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did you know? Maybe I did? And just keep your records, folks.

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Um, you know, if these
kids come back to me as an

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adult, I have stacks and stacks
and stacks of why the marriage didn't work

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out in print for them to read, and maybe that'll that it'll either make

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them very angry or um they'll understand. And I just I don't know where.

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I don't know where my relationship with
my children goes at this time,

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because what am I gonna I'm not
gonna quit, Don't get me wrong,

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I'm not gonna quit. I'll continue
to send them things in the mail and

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try. But for everything that I
can say, I never I know.

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I don't know if they'll ever get
those things. You know, you gotta

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be real sneaky about you know,
to have somebody right out the address so

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it doesn't look like dad's handwriting.
You gotta go almost to another state because

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mom knows where I live. So
if it's got a floor, a postmark

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should just throw it in mail.
I don't think they get any of the

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like birthday gifts, any any of
the stuff that I said, really and

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I don't I don't get you know
if they do, um, you know,

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if I put cash and she might
open it and just take it for

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herself. You know what I'm saying
is it. It's some real dark,

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dirty stuff that's going on here.
And I'm I'm here with I've become friends

407
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.400
with Ashley and said, you know
what, let's talk about this. So

408
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.880
if anybody else out there is going
through it, maybe you're not alone.

409
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.160
It is sort of what why I'm
spilling the beans here? Well, and

410
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.799
it's all control and it's funny.
It's not about Prince alien nation in my

411
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.799
situation. But you know, my
dad remarried. This was a long time

412
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.480
ago, and I remember, you
know, I would send him like a

413
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.480
Christmas card or a Birthday card and
everything, and I had no idea that

414
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.720
his current wife was throwing away my
stuff. It's wild. People do this

415
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.319
across the board was happening, and
it's so prevalent, like you talk about

416
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:38.279
uh, you know, borderline and
bipolar. It's so prevalent today like oh

417
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:42.000
yeah, every every third fourth person
you might be dealing with nuts. Oh

418
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.680
yeah, it could be PPD,
it can be MPD. They're just wild,

419
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.720
wild, out of control, can't
control their emotions, and you end

420
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:49.799
up on the end of this and
then you go through a divorce and they're

421
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:53.000
so pissed at you. I you
know what, I'm gonna get you.

422
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.359
I am gonna get you and the
only way I can get you because it's

423
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.200
all over and I didn't get what
I wanted money or I got everything I

424
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.200
wanted money, But you still want
to see your kids. But I hate

425
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.720
you so much, I'm going to
take this away from you to make you

426
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:11.039
miserable. Well in the big part
too, that we understand with folks with

427
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:17.400
certain certain mental emotional dynamics is that
they don't know where their kids in and

428
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:22.119
they begin because there's no boundaries and
zero zero boundaries, zero boundaries. What

429
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.880
is my nine year old daughter doing
on Snapchat unsupervised or you know, discord?

430
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.480
Are you kidding me? This is
okay? And I only know this

431
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:36.119
because I've had very short visits with
them, But like, and what's wild

432
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:37.920
about it when we talk about like
the social media thing and the telephone thing?

433
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.839
Right, so check this out.
When my daughter's with me, she

434
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.880
don't miss a phone call from best
little friend? Does she now? But

435
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.480
she doesn't get Dad's phone call?
So it really it really exposes the BS

436
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.119
that's going on here. Everybody's attached. You and I both are addicted to

437
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.640
our phone, So is everybody out
there. Somebody's listening to this on their

438
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.440
phone or they're listening to it on
computer. We're all addicted to this stuff,

439
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.759
right, So why isn't Dad's phone
getting through? But you know,

440
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:07.160
best friend or mom have a absolute
explicit like access, yeah, their phone

441
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.799
in their texts, everything's going through, oh yeah, all day long,

442
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.799
all day long. And I think
it's interesting though, because they really don't.

443
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.720
There is no boundaries and so if
if if you divorced them, it's

444
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.279
almost like you're divorcing all of them
basically. Oh absolutely, So I need

445
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.119
to throw this little piece in for
everybody out there listening. I was a

446
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.480
real jerk. I went and married
a woman with some children, and not

447
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.559
only do my own children not talk
to me, but the children from a

448
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.720
deceased father who I raised, not
one of them will talk to me.

449
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.880
So this has been an all out
assault on me. And you can think

450
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.039
that I'm a bad guy that I
just I don't see like, why not

451
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:49.839
one? How does that happen?
You got any ideas? You got all

452
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.559
these children and some of them are
becoming adults now, right, and not

453
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:59.960
one uh, not one. We'll
reach out and I've tried to reach out.

454
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.759
Sometimes I get a small response,
but nobody. Nobody's touching me.

455
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:08.799
Oh you know, there's there's all
the negative comments that have been made,

456
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.640
but also there's that fact that I
think that they don't want to hear it

457
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.920
if they were to be if nobody
wants that what happened, nobody wants that

458
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.559
rath. Nobody wants to see that
I dealt with it. I was married

459
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.400
to her. I didn't want it, and I stuck around way too long

460
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.960
because I was taken to beating for
the kids. What do you do?

461
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.440
Do you want your kids to be
assaulted or are you going to take the

462
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.839
beating? Right? But in the
end, everybody, yeah, you still

463
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.039
end up losing because they've they decided
that if you're not going to be part

464
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:44.559
of their life, nor are the
kids, then they take ownership of the

465
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.920
kids like they were never yours exactly. The interesting part two is you're right,

466
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.640
is at somebody in this situation,
somebody has to be wrong, and

467
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.839
so in order for them to create
their victim reality, they have to make

468
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.880
the other personality's right. They they
gotta paint you so black that there's no

469
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.759
there's you know, in the in
the in the absence of light, there's

470
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.720
nothing but darkness. So you are
the darkest, most awful person that's ever

471
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.279
walked to earth. And some of
this is speculation, but when you live

472
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.920
it, you start to see that
it's not speculation. This is what's happening.

473
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.720
Yeah, And you don't want to
believe this because it's just so it's

474
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.960
so awful, it's so extreme.
The fact that you were with this person

475
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.119
for many years, You lived your
life with them, you were married to

476
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.839
them. You took care of them, many of you, you know,

477
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.839
created you know, built houses,
paid for them, paid for even their

478
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.519
education to go to school, going
back to nursing school, whatever you paid

479
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.119
for them to do. You took
care of them. Maybe some of them

480
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.440
were stay at home mom, stay
at home dads, whatever, you took

481
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.160
care of them. And now this
is the grief that you're getting. You

482
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.640
just don't expect that they would turn
the kids you know away from you,

483
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.000
right, And you're gonna have all
kinds of relationship to in your life,

484
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:57.079
marriage, girlfriend's, boyfriend's, good
great friends. I will tell you what,

485
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.799
there's nothing more heartbreaking than losing your
children for no, for no,

486
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:07.640
for no good goddamn reason except that
somebody wants to name you and you know

487
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.680
the marriage didn't work out, and
now I'm going to get one over on

488
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.240
Will, and that's I want to
control. I want to control this little

489
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:22.599
piece. I'm gonna get him,
and she's been successful. What I also

490
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.519
see to you is that in divorce
court, when this is happening, that

491
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:30.680
one parent that's going to turn around
and alienate the other parent usually has a

492
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.200
tendency of trying to go after full
custody at one point in time or another,

493
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:37.519
to or say that they're going to
go after full custody at one point

494
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.039
in time or another. And I
think that that happens a lot of times

495
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.559
often to you. I've also seen
that in divorce court when you have certain

496
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:51.039
types of personalities, people with certain
personality disorders, they will continue to fight

497
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.720
that other person until the end,
continuing to fight, continuing to fight even

498
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.839
when it's over with, bringing them
back into court to fight again. Right

499
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.640
and in this situation. I have
to bring her back into court because she's

500
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:05.039
superseded the law. She's just making
her own rules. It gets expensive,

501
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.720
it's painful, and where do you
end up. I'm not gonna give up

502
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.240
on my children. I'm gonna have
one last little deal. I'm gonna send

503
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.839
them a letter. I'm gonna say
I tried my best, and I will

504
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.680
be here on the other side waiting
for you. I don't see any other

505
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.720
options. It sort of sucks,
but that's where you end I still have

506
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.759
a life. I can't. I
can't up end my life and make my

507
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.000
life miserable in her life miserable because
I want to see my kids when she's

508
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.079
not gonna and believe me, I
can go spend another five ten grand.

509
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.400
You know what's gonna happen. She's
not gonna do nothing about it. She

510
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.640
didn't care. It's going to be
inconvenience for and it doesn't feel good for

511
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.680
me. I don't. I just
want to see my kids. I don't

512
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.920
want to inconvenience anybody more than needs
to be inconvenience. Just played by the

513
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.640
rules, right, just played by
the rules. But also you have you're

514
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.480
dealing with someone that has you know
them more often than you do, and

515
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.279
so they have you know, they
basically have their their mouth and their ear

516
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.119
basically all the time. Yeah,
and it's unfortunate the way that I earned

517
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.240
my money. I have to travel
a lot. So it is the way

518
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.000
that it is, UM and there's
no change in your life. Don't like

519
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.880
that. You can't. You can't
up end your life where you make good

520
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:15.360
money and go, you know,
bad groceries at Walmart and expect to be

521
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.480
able to support your family. It's
it's it's it's America. But it's sort

522
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.760
of like, that's how it is. That's that's how my life worked out.

523
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.360
Makes total sense when we return and
be talking more about some of the

524
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.800
things you can do UM to be
able to not only safeguard yourself, but

525
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.480
have some of the information evidence on
your side when the kids do come back

526
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.480
around, because I can be very
helpful because that's going to also make you

527
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.440
feel better about the situation, confirm
with yourself that you've done everything you can,

528
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:43.599
but also in the future be able
to provide this to them so that

529
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.599
they can also see that and pretty
much that it's evidence and all that right

530
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:51.880
to get them to understand where you've
come from and also what you've tried to

531
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.239
do. Stay tuned, maybe your
true life Perspectives with you with your host

532
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:09.519
Astley Burders, will be back this
time in two shakes. Get in here.

533
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:16.599
You're listening to Perspectives with Ashley Burgess. Welcome back live delivered to Life

534
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.960
Perspectives and I'm your host, Attersony
Burgess. On today's show, Will and

535
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.360
I have been talking about parental alienation, how to deal with it, how

536
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.039
to understand it, and what your
next steps are. You know, one

537
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.679
of the things that I wanted to
bring up real quick is one of the

538
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.440
things that I really believe in is
keeping a journal. So keeping a journal,

539
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.599
a handwritten journal about everything that you've
done. So let's say like she

540
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.000
doesn't let you see your kids,
you know, writing that down each day,

541
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.239
the time that you're supposed to see
them, when you did see them,

542
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.039
when you weren't allowed to see them, and keeping record of that so

543
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.400
later on down the road when the
kids do come back around, you have

544
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.239
this evidence and you have this record
of what you try to do to take

545
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.079
care of them, and that you
were there and it's not just your word

546
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.159
against there were It's like this is
actual physical evidence of each day I was

547
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.280
supposed to have you in what took
place. So keeping that journal is very

548
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:07.920
important, guys, for anybody that's
listening to this. Women, men,

549
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:13.239
whoever's listening is that are is being
alienated writing that down and keeping a ledger

550
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.480
and a record of that. So
well, okay, let me ask you

551
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.800
what are you currently doing? Are
you doing anything right now to make some

552
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.320
changes or what are you up to
right am? It really is with a

553
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.440
with a heavy heart that I'm doing
what I'm doing. I reached out to

554
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.960
my attorney and I've been busy,
and it's really weird when when you get

555
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.679
into this part, it goes in
slow motion because the heat of the divorce

556
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.480
is over. But you miss your
children and you get your life and you're

557
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:42.679
you're working and all these other things
that are going on. So you've become

558
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.639
very calculated. I'm going to do
this. I'm gonna take this amount of

559
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.280
my time to do it. I
have my records. I will provide the

560
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.519
attorney with all the text messages between
me and my ex wife where she has

561
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.880
made plans during my you know,
court a point of time. This document

562
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.920
that says it's law you're going to
see your kids, where she's just just

563
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.440
disregarded that, and then all the
text message between me and my child and

564
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:07.880
I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not
really gonna involve the children. This is

565
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.840
more you have to play by the
rules because the damage is done here anybody

566
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.199
listening. I'm not gonna get to
see my kids anytime soon, but other

567
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:23.079
people gotta play by the rules.
So I'm gonna make it known that the

568
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:29.079
rules apply not only to me,
but to her. And it sucks because

569
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:34.079
get ready, five grand minimum for
this thing to go down, probably ten

570
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.079
fifteen, just just to make my
point. But you got to spend at

571
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.840
kids, because if you don't,
when the kids come back, you might

572
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:44.920
say you didn't try. So you
gotta you gotta make you gotta make it

573
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.280
known that you tried. And going
forward after that, because she's still not

574
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.360
gonna even if I do this in
the court system does what it's supposed to,

575
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.320
she's still not gonna follow the rules, and the damage is done.

576
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.039
But at least I'll have the piece
of paper, and it would be more

577
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.719
valuable than than the green pap I
paid for it. At least I'll have

578
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:07.239
something when they come back to me
all upset. I tried. I love

579
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.880
you. You know what I'm saying. We'll get there. It's just incredibly

580
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.440
painful. And anybody out there going
through it, I got pad on the

581
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:20.039
back for you. Tomorrow's another day
and you get through it. That's that's

582
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.960
that's powerful. And I know that
anybody out there that's going through this,

583
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.880
you're probably going through this this idea
should I do this? And I think

584
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:29.840
that you're right having that to collaborate. You know how you feel and what

585
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.280
you've done is smart and you're right. I don't know if that's going to

586
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.079
change, but it won't change anything. Just make sure you're meticulous in your

587
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.679
rector keeping. And I mean meticulous. It should be I think I've said

588
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:44.559
this before. It should be handwritten. Don't put it on any electronic device

589
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.519
that could be compromised. Write it
just I don't like journey, She says,

590
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.840
journal Like I got next feelings about
a journal. Just make sure that

591
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:59.760
you've got some records. It will
be beneficial to you forgetting stuff. No

592
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.159
one what you did and looking back
at it like I did this. I

593
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.320
tried to spend this time and it's
it's it's an actual heartfelt record instead of

594
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.960
just a text message or something.
You know what I'm saying. I agree

595
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:13.920
with that, and words of encouragement
real quick will before we head out dark

596
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:20.559
days. Every dark day, the
sun comes up and life goes on.

597
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.679
It sucks the situation that I found
myself, but my life is going to

598
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.559
go on, and eventually my children
will be there. And if you if

599
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.239
you're having a hard time, I
remember they're still your kids. They'll they'll

600
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.599
come back at some point. Keep
a chin up, and every day's a

601
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:43.519
new day. It'll all be good. It's words of encouragement are powerful,

602
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.079
and I really appreciate you coming on
the Show's all it's been. It's been

603
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.599
awesome. It's been awesome. I've
known this woman for a while and she's

604
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.239
pretty cool people. So I'm glad
everybody got to hear my side of something.

605
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.559
And I hope it was helpful for
anybody listening, very helpful. Will

606
00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.000
and everybody that's listening, I hope
that this is given you words of encouragement,

607
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:04.239
invalidation as far as the principal alienation
is coming around, because it's hard

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to understand that this is what's happening. Well and it's real, it's it's

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it's a real thing. It happened
to me. It's real, and it

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happens. And so if you're dealing
with that, you know, kind of

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taking care of that, take care
of the responsibilities you need to do,

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but also being able to say,
hey, eventually they will come back around.

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They will. It's life. Everybody
gets a new day. So we're

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hoping for the best, sort of
expecting the worst. But we'll get through

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this and hey, maybe I'll come
back and share some more after I,

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you know, go through the court
system again. Let you know how it

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went. I would appreciate that.
We'll we'll be back on the radio with

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us. In the meantime, there's
more content coming up YouTube every week.

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Every day we have new video content. Stay tuned. We'll be back next

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week. Leave your True Life Perspectives
with your host, Meet Ashley Burgess.

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Will be back in I'll be back
to this time in three shapes,