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You're in a good place now you are listening to
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perspectives with Ashley Burgers. Welcome back to the Ashley Burgess Podcast.
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I've learned one major thing, and that is that you
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cannot have narcissism and self awareness together. Self awareness and
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the lack thereof is a good determination to honestly understand
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if someone has significant signs and symptoms of narcissism. When
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dealing with these narcissistic people, you find yourself on a
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very uneven playing ground. Remember, the rules do not apply
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to them, and unfortunately, they actually make up the rules
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around the relationship. So we fall prey into these situations
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and you end up following them and you become the problem.
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And they don't adhere to the rules. It's interesting, many
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of them are just immune to their own rules and
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the rules do not apply. And over a period of
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time after we call the honeymoon phase or the fame
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achory phase, many people have gotten honest with themselves and
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realize that the beginning of the relationship with a narcissist
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is complete fakery. They're very good at it. They're very
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good at just claiming one thing and acting like somebody
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and then changing it all up a few weeks or
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even a few months down the road, and you're left
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holding the bag, going, oh my god, what just happened here?
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I thought I had met my soulmate, the love of
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my life. I thought this was like the one and only,
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like this is what they talk about in movies, you know,
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the one, you know, the the end, all be all,
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the twin flame. But it's not true. And you learn
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this over a period of time. And in the beginning,
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you were usually getting a lot of attention, you were
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having many favorable experiences, and then well, their metamorphois begins,
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their attention begins to wane, and they begin giving less
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and less to the relationship, to the point that it's obvious.
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But the problem is, any of us were well, we
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were kind of in doctrine in this at a young age.
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We were raised around narcissistic parents, and so we don't
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think that this is very odd. We actually think this
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is kind of normal place. Now when I say normal,
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I didn't stay healthy. We see this as a normal place,
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and we try to figure out what did we do wrong?
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What should I do next? How do I get them
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to pay attention to me again? How do I get
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that attention like I had before, and so we fall
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into this rabbit hole of Okay, what if I do this,
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what if I do that? What if I take them there?
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What if we go to this concert? What if we
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do this? What if we do that? And none of
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it's really working. You're still not getting to the same space.
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And I want you to think about it in the beginning.
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Let's say that somebody was a baker and they baked
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you cakes every week, sometimes twice a week. They were
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in the kitchen baking you cakes and sending you video
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of it. Look how great my cake is. Look at
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the cookies I made you. Look at the cupcakes? Would
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they pretty? Maybe that someone used to tidy up and
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clean up your house all the time, Well that stopped instantaneously,
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and now you walk into your house after work and
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it is a disaster zone. Maybe you had someone that
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was very passionate about sex, and sex was amazing and
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all the time there's this amazing sex. You would come
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home and there's this amazing sex, and it was amazing.
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And now all of a sudden, they no longer want you.
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There is no time for sex. They don't want any sex.
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They don't want any sex. From you, and so you
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begin to wonder, what did I do wrong and how
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do I get this person back? Maybe they're going through challenges,
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maybe there's issues. Maybe I'm not that good of a person.
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Maybe I need to be better at being me. Maybe
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I need to be a better person all around. And
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that's where we fall into the rabbit hole, and that's
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where we lose sight of reality. Some would say in
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a narcissistic relationship that the honeymoon is over. Others would
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say that the illusion has come to an end. Either way,
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the relationship will never go back to the way it was.
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No matter how much you give, no matter how many
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passes you give them for their behavior, the narcissist is
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done with the game and is now showing you they're
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full on entitlement. Remember that, and that's interesting. Entitlement and
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narcissism go hand in hand. They expect you to continue
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to give to them, and they will keep taking from
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your life. They don't care that you're getting frustrated. They
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actually feed off your frustration. That's important to know. You
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might get frustrated and angry with them, you get overwhelmed,
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you get upset, but that frustration actually gives them fuel.
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I know that many of you have heard of narcissistic supply.
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What is narcissistic supply, Well, narcissistic supply is the narcissist
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pulling the energy from you, getting your energy. There's many
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words for it, but getting your energy, sapping your energy,
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taking your essence to give them fuel. And that could
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come in many forms. Crying, sadness, anxiety, depression, feeling overwhelmed.
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All those things are fuel for the narcissist. And I
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want you to really think about that, because they will
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take fuel in any type of fuel. They don't need
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positive interaction, They don't necessarily need negative interaction. They just
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need your attention directed to them, on them, and if
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you are frustrated or anxious or overwhelmed because of them,
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that actually gives them more fuel. Narcissistic supply, that's what
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that is. And so that is suck you dry. And
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so literally you start waking up in the morning exhausted.
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You go through the day exhausted. Every time you have
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an interaction with them, it's exhausting. You begin to have
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these arguments with them because they can't see your side.
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And it's not that they can't see your side, they
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don't want to see your side. It's either their way
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or the highway, and they're gonna make that quite clear
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to you over a period of time. It's very interesting,
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and so you got to think about it that way.
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When you get mad at the narcissist and their behavior,
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remember you're fueling them. They don't see the difference between
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good and bad attention. Remember, they like it all. They
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also like to see you get angry, get sad, get upset.
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Narcissists live off of fear and anger, your fear and
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your anger, and they're successfully getting the best of you,
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and they like it when you feel overwhelmed and upset.
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And that's interesting because I don't think a lot of
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people realize that. I don't think a lot of people
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understand the gravity of that situation for most part for me,
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and I know that many of my viewers listeners on YouTube,
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on the podcast, my clients, they're generally positive people that
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like to be around positivity. They like positivity in their lives,
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and they don't like to have arguments and anger. They
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don't like that. They don't like to do that. And
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so when they get into these relationships over time, it
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becomes this very argumentative kind of angry playground that they
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end up getting kind of sucked into without even realize
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that they're sucked into it. And eventually, literally they're losing
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their energy. Their energy levels are depleting, and there's a
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lot of other things that are going on, and their
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health starts being an issue. Now, remember there are levels
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of narcissism. This is very true. You may have someone
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likes to be the center of attention, but also a
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pretty decent person overall, and they care about others. You
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may have someone that has much more narcissistic tendencies and
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you find it challenging to get along with them or
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even define common ground. And then you may come across
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covert narcissists who their entire persona is built on a lie,
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the wolf in sheep's clothing. And then you have the
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malignant narcissists who wants to see you lose your identity
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and fall prey to them, taking everything from you and
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leaving you the shell of a human. And I want
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you to think about that, because these are levels of narcissism.
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I know that many people say, oh, we throw that
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word aro out a lot. Not everybody's a narcissist. Well, no,
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not everybody's a narcissist, that's true. However, there are a
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lot of narcissists out there. I believe it's very underestimated
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the number. And there's different levels of narcissism, one extreme
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to another, just depends on where they are in the situation.
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You know, it's definitely a moving scale. You can have
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a few symptoms and signs of narcissism. It doesn't make
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you a full on narcissist. But there are full on
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narcissists out there. And I don't want to underplay that
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and act like it doesn't exist, because I think one
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of the biggest kind of situations we have in this
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world is having these kind of situations with these people
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that don't want you to really think that it exists.
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They want to underplay it, they want to act like
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it doesn't exist. They want to basically act like, oh,
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there's nobody out there like that. Let's play this down, right,
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because it makes other people look crazy by bringing it up.
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And I think we have to talk about the reality
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when we're talking about these types of situation. The way
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to really identify what level of narcissism that you're dealing
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with is to begin to see how self aware they are.
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The less self aware, the more narcissistic they are. This
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is your narcissistic litmus test. How one sided are your
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interactions with them? How one sided is the relationship, and
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how one sided are the demands? How often did they
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call you out or get angry with you when you
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do one twentieth of what they do on a daily basis.
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The less self aware, the more narcissistic they are. I
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want you to think about that. Self awareness does not
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go hand in hand with narcissism at all. They don't
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even really see what they're doing. I think to some
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degree they do. So I'm not saying that they're completely
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out of it and don't know that they're they're controlling
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and manipulating and gas lighting. I think some of them
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really do. I think some of them don't really realize
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it because they're completely un self aware. I think some
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are statistic enough to know exactly what they're doing, and
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I think most of them are a combination, right, so
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they know some of what they're doing, and they don't
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know some of what they're doing, and they're just kind
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of living in their own world and having a relationship
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with a narcissists is not having a relationship at all.
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It's having a relationship with somebody in their own world
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twenty four to seven, and you're just kind of hanging
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out with them, and that's really what it is. You
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become that person that's there for them, and they're every whim.
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You might even become a flying monkey to some degree,
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but it's not a mutual relationship. They don't see you
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equally to them. You are not equally yoked with them.
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They will see themselves as superre to you. Always a
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narcissist doesn't think that you're equal to them, doesn't even
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think that you shine a light to them. They actually
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look down on you for what you do, and they
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think that it's kind of funny because they just look
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at you and they see you as somebody they can
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use and take advantage of. They don't see you as
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somebody that they see as equal. I see narcissism like
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a disease, and this disease is looking for a host,
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someone that can take advantage of, someone they can use,
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and someone that will provide for them while they do
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very very little. They want a slave, not a lover,
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not a spouse, not a partner. Think about that slave,
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not an equal relationship. And this is very important because
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I think people get into these relationships with these people
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because they seem so great on paper. They seem so
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great as far as maybe they're good looking, attractive, Maybe
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they seem successful. Maybe they have the right friends and
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the right social group. Maybe they live in the right
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bi or drive the right cars. Maybe it's a combination,
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or maybe they seem kind of like the victim, like
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somebody that can you can take care of. You can
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be the knight in shining armor for whether it's a
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man or a woman, you can be that savior to them,
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and maybe that helps you too. And that's a big
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thing with codependance, right Codependans get sucked in a narcissist
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very quickly because the code dependant is giving everything that
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the narcissist wants, all the attention, all the caring. That's
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exactly that's what good supply is. Literally, a codependant equals
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good supply for the narcissists. That's your equation right there
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works every time except for guess what. The codependant gets
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well beaten down and eventually loses their identity and has
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to eventually find their way out of this relationship or
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lose their identity forever. Very important to understand, and I
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think a lot of people don't get this. A lot
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of people don't understand what they're getting into. They think, oh, oh,
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it's not that big of a deal. You know, we're
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having some bumps in the road. Oh, but you know
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these bumps will go away and everybody will get better.
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And you know that's what happens a lot of times too. Right,
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It's like, you have these struggles and then you have
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these decent times, and you know you have these decent times,
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you have these struggles and you go, oh, you kind
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of sweep it under the rug. Especially codependance we love
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and I'm a recovering code of Pennant, but I used
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to love sweeping it under the rug. Right, Oh yeah,
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it was great. Yesterday was great. I'm not going to
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think about all these other times that this person did
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me wrong. I'm not going to think about all these
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other times where this person lied or betrayed or I'm
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not gonna think about all these different times where I
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was put down or made fun of. I'm just gonna
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think about last night, because last night was a lot