Combining AI and Children's Educational Books. An Interview with Dr. Penny Norman [Ep.769]

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You are listening to Perspectives with Ashley Burgess.

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Welcome back Live to Ligerature Life Perspectives
and I'm your host, Ashley Burgess

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on today. So we're gonna be
talking about science. We're gonna be talking

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about planets, birds, mammals,
frogs, and a lot more things because

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it's about education and it's about keeping
up with the education of our kids,

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and we're trying to get to that
point where they can have unlimited amount of

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learning, unlimited knowledge base, and
the most up to date knowledge and information

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because I think that sometimes there's a
limitation on that some of the school systems,

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maybe there's a limitation in what they're
able to teach and being able to

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have children be able to ask the
questions, be able to learn the information,

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the current information, and be able
to really think about that and concentrate

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on that and let that develop not
only their minds but also their bodies.

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So joining me on today's Live Your
True Life Perspective is doctor Penny Norman.

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Doctor Penny Norman has an amazing biography. She's done a lot of things,

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let's put it that way. She
has a PhD in biophysics from Berkeley.

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She's also had her postdoc offers from
Oxford and also Cold Spring Harbor. She's

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a humanist background in science and mathematics. And you know, her background is

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so amazing because she's done so many
different things. She has a master's in

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so many different information as far as
mathematics, you know, working with NASA,

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all kinds of things. She's going
to talk about that when she comes

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on. But the biggest thing that
I find that's so amazing about doctor Penny

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is her dedication to children, but
her dedication to the concept of education.

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And we all know that children are
our future. And the more educated and

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the more understanding that they can get, you know, the better we are

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and the better they are. Doctor
Penny. Great to have you on Live

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your true life perspectives. How are
you doing. I'm here and thank you

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for having me. Ashley. I'm
so glad you're on the show. And

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let's first off, let's start off. You know you are you founded a

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company which is which is now known
as Science Whiz, and you've written more

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than twenty science stem books for elementary
age children over the age over the last

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twenty years. And some of these
stem books have sold millions of copies,

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which is amazing, and I'm actually
holding on to some really amazing stuff right

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here, some stem books, but
also these books are also they can talk

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to you. So tell me more
about, first off, how you kind

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of got into this realm, and
then we'll talk more about your dedication to

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education in the future. Here,
well, how I ended up. It's

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a woman's path. You know.
We start and maybe everybody we started in

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one career path and life and serendipity
takes over and you end up where you

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end up. And so I suppose
that, and I had children, and

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in having children, I became very
concerned about what was and wasn't being taught,

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especially about that time in elementary school
in the sciences, because it hadn't

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improved since I was there. In
fact, I think in many ways they

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were teaching less rather than more.
And so that's how this all began.

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And I'm sure that's true. Back
in school. I mean, when you

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were growing up, the education was
limited, right, I think even now

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the education of some degree is limited. But you know, when you were

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growing up, did you feel like
there was a lot of things that you

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didn't get to learn, or you
feel like was left out of the educational

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system. Oh yes, And I
think, especially as I got older,

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I think one of the worst aspects
of it for everybody, I think is

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if you don't learn the basic phenomenology
of the sciences in elementary school. I'm

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not talking about just most of it's
a tremendous amount of fun, but if

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you don't learn it early on when
you hit junior high and especially high school,

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if you have no prior knowledge and
then they throw you into a class

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where they expect you to do that, learn the phenomenology and apply the math.

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I think it's it's like, you
know, throwing people all into the

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deep end of the pool and expecting
all of them to swim, and it

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doesn't work. And that I think
that's the root of the problem for science

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education in the United States, is
that we cover very very little science content

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in elementary school in a way that's
really just playing fun but also primes you

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to succeed later in those fields and
just give you a general framework of knowledge

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to understand the world you live in. That's so true and a lot of

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times too. And you and I
had talked about this prior that it seems

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like a lot of the educational system
right now is based on testing. Right

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it's about passing certain tests and then
kind of teaching to the test is what

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I've experienced. Actually, what do
you think about that? I think it's

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awful. Yeah, no, I
think that you know, the best best

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school internationally Finland doesn't do any of
that, and I think it's diminished our

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schools. I mean, it's made
a lot of money for the testing companies,

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in the range of billions in some
of the bigger states, but I

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think it's achieved very little. And
I think now with AI, the need

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to make it separate from the learning
process itself is essentially going away. I

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agree with you, and it's interesting
too. You're right, it's about the

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testing, it's about those companies that
are making money. And then what,

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you know, what are these kids
really learning? And then how deep are

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they really being able to get into
things that really matter? Well, I

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think that's a very good question.
I mean, for example, if you're

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going to learn to read, hopefully
you can let you can read science as

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much as you can read about spot
chasing. You know, you know,

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a story with little information content and
have a great time doing it. I

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mean, my books are my original
books were usually about doing projects and reading

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and following the images to do it. And I've had many children tell me,

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well, this is my kind of
book, So you know, there

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are many kinds of reading and this
we don't have to restrict it to topics

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without information. That's so true,
and it's interesting. I got, you

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know, some of the books in
obviously, and what it's really interesting.

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One of them is the online Science
Discovery of Planets and the greatest thing about

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it is it has it's a hands
on project as well. And then there's

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a plan planet Finder app which is
very interesting. Tell us more to about

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kind of the hands on projects that
you've implemented and put into all these books.

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Well, a lot of them are
essential in this particular set, could

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be done with very you know,
almost for free. So you know,

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we do include materia are not readily
available. But let's talk about planets as

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of it. Actually, if you
have a flashlight, a dark room around

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fruit and a stick, you can
do it. And you don't. It

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would be silly to invest a lot
of money when you can get a wonderful

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experiment. Going to understand all the
cycles from the cycle the seasons to the

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day night cycle to you know,
there's a you know, to the monthly

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cycle, to the phases of the
moon. You don't have to invest money

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to do that. You just can
do it. So why I you know,

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so I didn't want to charge for
that. But there are actually ten

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very useful projects. And it turns
out that most students they don't know why.

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In the United States anyway, they
go through their whole lives not understanding

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what causes the seasons. But a
very simple experiment with an orange and a

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flashlight in a dark room explains it. That's amazing. It is interesting the

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things that are left out, and
I think that's a that's a good point

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about what you're making or the things
that are left out and some of the

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things that you know, some are
maybe simple, but also some things that

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could be easily learned by activity instead
of you know, thinking about the testing

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type situation. The other thing that
I like about this too is the book

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You can actually talk to you So
let's talk about that a little bit.

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Well, we link to an AI
bot that it's a three D uh semi

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three D animated character that you talk
to and you literally can speak to it

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or you can text to it.
Whichever you prefer so, and I think

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it's a very natural way to read
about science because as you read along,

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but most of us have questions.
Something isn't clear. We just have a

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question, and normally you can't ask
a book that question and have it give

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you an answer, And now you
can, and I think that it may

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lead to a different kind of reading
that's especially appropriate for topics in science.

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I think it's interesting too, the
concept with the AI and being able to

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ask the questions because like if you
take children in a classroom, kids in

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a classroom, I mean you have
one teacher, and that one teacher is

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supposed to answer all these questions.
I mean, do you see obviously these

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books being very interactive and helpful in
the school, like during the school day

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in the classroom, I mean,
how do you see that. I think

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it's transformative. I think especially in
elementary school where teachers are often not well

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trained in the sciences, you know, didn't have much or any I mean

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any child that you can get to
a question that no scientists can answer because

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we don't know. But that can
make a teacher who isn't trained in the

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field feel very uncomfortable because they may
not be sure of the answer, but

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they don't realize that no one.
This will make the answers extremely accurate and

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at their fingertips. They can simply
ask the just click on the icon,

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ask the bought for the question.
She has a very nurturing voice. She

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and she'll answer it. Interesting.
So, like if you're asking various questions

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about planets, and because again you're
right, it's obviously AI is helpful because

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as humans we have limited knowledge sometimes
so the knowledge base is a lot more

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vast. Obviously, I guess if
you're asking AI, well, and it's

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interesting because you're really talking to a
super polymath, and you know we are.

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It's just really really interesting. You
know, our encyclopedias can't keep up

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with this level of information that you
know, certainly a printed Britannica, which

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is what I grew up with.
We all had to have the Encyclopedia Britannica.

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I don't know if you were alive
at that time. Every household had

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to have those in the fifties.
Well, this is a superversion, but

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you're talking to an AI. It's
actually just recently it's passed both the bar

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exam. I think the score was
ninety seven and the medical certification exam,

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though its score was like sixty,
but that's still passing, which is a

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little scary to me, you know. But anyway, you know, so

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you're talking to a super polymath.
It's a really interesting transition we're going into

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because you'll have information, but it's
all in a language structure that's geared to

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a nine eight, nine ten year
old, So it's age appropriate in its

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structure, and is there a limitation
on the things that they can ask well,

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in the sense that it structured to
behave like a nurturing teacher who's schooled

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in science, but it's talking to
a child that they think is nine to

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ten years eight to nine to ten
years old, So it's not going to

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go off the rails and talk about
drugs or violence or guns or I always

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use the phrase gun, sex and
rock and roll. You're not going to

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get answers for that out of her. That's hilarious. It's probably a good

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thing, and we were pushing it
to try and test that, but we

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were afraid we were going to get
excluded but from the app because we were

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just trying to make it to see
if we had restricted it to the point

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that it was behaving well, and
it was you know, it was very

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you know, it was working extremely
well. And we then we used it

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at toy Fair where people were we're
four days straight, we're coming in asking

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all kinds of questions because they all
wanted to interact with it and see what

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she'd say. She never gives the
exact same answer each time. It's not

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wrote, you know, and this
it's you know, this is a generative

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AI, you know, So it's
not you know, it's not that she'll

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tell jokes, but she's not very
good at jokes, you know that.

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So it's not not they're not bad, but they're not. They're not always

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I don't get all of her jokes. She will do a poetry actually quite

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well, and you know, so
you can ask for a poem about climate

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change or some you know, you
can ask her for the meaning of life,

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or you can ask her what is
it what makes Pluto a dwarf planet?

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And are what are the most common
birds in in your city or town?

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So you know, and she'll basically
get it all right, So there

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you are. That's amazing. That's
amazing. When we were turn doctor Pennie

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and I are going to be talking
more about these amazing books and kind of

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the direction education wise, as well
as more about her background and her passion

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for creating this and doing this for
kids and for our future. So stay

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tuned Ligatrue Life Perspectives with your host
me Ashley Burgess, will be back in

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I'll be back this time. Well, I'll be back this time in two

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shakes. Turn it up and jump
in the deep end on Perspectives. Now

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here's Ashley. Welcome back live to
Ligertrue Life Perspectives and I'm your host,

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Ashley Burgess. Joining me today in
studio is doctor Penny Norman. She has

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an amazing background PhD in biophysics,
you know, a humanist background. She's

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worked for NASA and the list goes
on, and she's also created some amazing

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books for kids to learn. And
we were just talking earlier about one specific

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book, the Planets, and you
know you were saying earlier about the Pale

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Blue Let's talk about that a little
bit, doctor Penny. Well, when

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the satellite Voyager launched and I forgot
I think was that the seventies it went,

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it made, it reached, it
passed Pluto and they had it turn

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around and take a picture of planet
Earth and Earth in that image is a

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single pixel wide and Carl Sagan,
I believe, called it the pale blue

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Dot and we were just a pixel
the whole planet suspended in a sunbeam.

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That's what it looks like. And
then he made a video a narration of

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that pale blue dot. It's one
of the most profound commentaries ever made about

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Earth in the planet, and I
don't think it should be missed. And

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it's there on that particular video or
sound from YouTube is inserted into the book

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for listening to and seeing. It's
quite profound. Another one right next to

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it is the History of the Earth
in five and a half minutes, and

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that's a graphic novel and it's it's
funny and amazing, but it's only,

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you know, under five minutes.
It's just five minutes long history of the

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whole planet. And then one of
my other favorites in the book is when

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we cover Mars, we link to
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of Mars, as developed from the
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that have gone over on the actual
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really see the surface of another world
and it looks a lot like Nevada,

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but it's interesting. So anyway,
it's just it's packed with things like that,

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and it's just shouldn't be missed as
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as this the avatar attached to AI, so you can ask questions as you

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read along. And those are some
interesting things that you know, you wouldn't

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catch in a regular science class,
right, It's like things that they wouldn't

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probably bring up, or things that
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and they're profoundly interesting. One of
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asteroid ever that ever land on Earth, And there's a whole story about that

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because you know, it landed in
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it from Australia, but they did, and those are and the stories about

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what they've discovered from that asteroid.
It's actually older than the solar system and

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so it's amazing and the story of
that asteroid is amazing. Well, we

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need to talk about it. When
we return. Doctor Penny has a wealth

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I mean, she has written twenty
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this is amazing stuff. And her
books and kids have received numerous awards,

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including a Family Choice Award in twenty
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so when we return, me talking
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talking more with doctor Penny. Stay
tuned, don't change the channel. We're

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gonna be talking about some more interesting
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some mammals, frogs, and birds
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Birds will be back in well,
we'll be back this time in two shakes.

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This is Jake Busey and you're listening
to Perspectives with Ashley Burges. Welcome

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back live to literature Life perspectives,
and I'm your host, Ashley Burgess joining

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me in studio doctor Penny Norman,
and she has a major background work for

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NASA. She has a PhD in
biophysics, and the list goes on,

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but she's created some amazing books and
it's under the name of Science Whiz,

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and so we have we were talking
earlier about the planets and and let's jump

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in there. There's another that I
think is very interesting, which is the

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Online Science Discovery of Frogs, Toads
and Other Amphibians. And it's the groundbreaking

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book that you can talk to and
so it combines hands on projects with online

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storytelling, three D manipulations, interactive
explorations, so very neat. Let's talk

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a little bit about that, Doctor
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Okay, well again this one.
There are no frog idea apps in

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the United States, so that was
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bird Idea app and the planet Finder
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there actually is an amphibian Idea app
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because they're they're almost like the canary
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in general then because they're sensitive to
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a hoot. It's just charming and
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in there. There's one from the
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and anyways that it. But again
this is in multi modal. So one

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of the most important things to know
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colonized the land and they did this
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metamorphosis, which they do with they
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color it, and you know that
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of course frogs makes it sounds and
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can't hear the sounds that the frog
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tend to be more high pitched and
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actual recording and watching the frog make
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a thousand words. It really gets
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of modalities. And then you know, it goes through metamorphosis, and they

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draw the pictures of metamorphosis. But
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watching a time lapse video of the
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a video on YouTube that it has
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children watch a time lapse of the
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to watch. That's why it's had
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doing. We're grading across all these
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songs and videos and sound elms and
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you know, the goliath frog is
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it's smaller than the width of the
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and and it was you know,
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frogs and poisoned dart frogs and it's
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even a frog that's freezes over the
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literally is almost legally dead by almost
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it comes out of its frozen state
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That's it. That's what this frog
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go through cryogenic freezing and succeed and
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continue their lives. Oh that's really
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this fabulous story about a pebble frog
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somewhere in South America, and but
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when it encounters it, it doesn't
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this mountain cliff or down and rolls
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the off the cliff, but it
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again. That's its defense. So
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like a pebble that can fall down
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up. Oh my goodness, really
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were the first vertebrates to walk on
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the land was barren and there were
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crawley strage where we had scorpions,
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we didn't have any vertebrates, no
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through metamorphosis and could breathe air,
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they colonized the land for animals for
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animals with a backbone, fish,
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know, and and it's you know, it's so before the dinosaurs, before

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the age of mammals, which is
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of amphibians, giant amphibians. Well, that's amazing. Yeah, those things

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about things. You know what I'm
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get coverage of the dinosaurs, they've
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don't get many we haven't and we
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we actually don't learn about the terror
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and of itself. So which is
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really was. They were the apex
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the you know, in the book
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the humans that were off in uh
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America, which at that time was
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it shut off the Pacific from the
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happened, the terror bird there was
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animals that lived in South America migrated
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wild thing is most of the animals
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various reasons. So most of the
unique critters that are now in South America

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it, they know, to Texas
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this certain number of fossils, but
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wolves and the sabertooth tiger were just
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the cold because when the isthmus of
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periods of ice ages and interspersed with
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by the formation of that land bridge. Up until then, the earth was

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warmer, but the circulated patterns in
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that may be part of the reason
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probably couldn't tolerate that cold. So
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there were a number of reasons why
they probably didn't last that long. And

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you probably wouldn't want to meet one
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if they were ten feet tall.
They were tall, and they were ferocious,

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and you wouldn't want to have to
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bring one in as a pet right
now. They truly were the apex predator.

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They killed practically anything else they wanted
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that is amazing, and it's amazing
to learn that kind of stuff,

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you know, And I think it's
even as even the adults that are listening

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to the show, you know,
we're all, you know, listening to

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this entire concept. This is this
is interesting, it's profound, and I

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think it also gives more of an
understanding of, you know, where we

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came from and our universe and our
planet. And I think that that also

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makes things more meaningful. I think, yeah, I think it gives you

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a framework of knowledge that that informs
your worldview, and it's so often left

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out, and there's no reason to
leave it out in terms of the it's

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just interesting to almost any age.
It's just plain interesting stuff. Yeah,

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exactly. It's the things that you
want to learn. It's it's those interesting

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topics. It's those things that you
know just I don't know, they give

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value to where you are, where
we've come from, the evolution. And

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also I feel like it makes you
more mindful, you know, in the

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process, because I think sometimes we're
kind of walking through things we we we

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tend to learn maybe a limited amount
or as much as we have to to

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get by. And that's another thing
that I find as a problem in our

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society today is that you know,
growing up and going through the school system,

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I did the same thing. It's
like, you know, you did

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what you had to do to pass
the test, and then after that it

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was you know, you didn't really
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get or dig deep into something.
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these books is like for example,
with the Birds, you know, it's

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obviously very interesting. Another sidebar of
it is you know, being able to

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Identify is like an app to identify
like birds by not only by the way

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they look, but the sound,
by how they sing a song, you

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know. I mean that's pretty cool. I mean that's not something you think

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about every day. Well yeah,
and that's a major resource and that's available

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for free and from Cornell. It's
a fabulous and we link to that and

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show you and it you know,
it works, and you can use it

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to identify birds in your local neighborhood. But you can also use it to

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identify birds that you see on webcams
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link to a number of those.
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birds in South America and South Africa, I mean, they're so beautiful and

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colorful, but you can use the
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in various parts of the country,
usually only one or two in a given

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region. In Ecuador, I think
they have over one hundred species, and

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the coloration on them is just amazing. They're just so beautiful. That is

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amazing. It's it's and then the
other thing that I find interesting, so

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I'm also you know, I'm playing
around with all these books and all this

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is great and all these activities.
The Mammals series is also very interesting too,

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you know, and obviously that's you
know, that's that's very interesting,

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the mammal series and all the information
that that has, you know who,

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I like that discover Huey Toomb,
you know, kind of the pecanory,

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kind of that situation, but also
you know, creating that family tree of

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mammals, and I think that's really
interesting as well. So we have stickers

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that go with that. But the
other aspect is that and this is from

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my editor, An Einstein, and
in her classes and she covered animals,

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she would end the class with a
game of twenty questions. And the way

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she used that because you can't guess
the animal unless you learn these categories,

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if you you know, And she
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So it's a lot of fun and
you can do it. It's a game.

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So they were delighted to do it, and the goal was to guess

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the animals she was thinking of.
But you can do that with AI and

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it reinforces what you're doing in the
book. So I'm thinking she Electra thinks

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of an animal and you have to
guess it with yes, no question.

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You asked the questions and she answers
yes, no or maybe, and that's

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it. Oh wow, so very
interactive. It's very interactive. And the

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other thing about it, I'm trying
to remember that. I guess that's one

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of the most exciting features. I
think is there's this reinforcement of what you're

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learning through a game. But it's
reinforcing it. You know, if you

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really want to learn to add play
on let's see right exactly exactly. I

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mean, when you're playing something,
it definitely connects. That is so true.

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Yeah, so that's that's part of
what's in there. Yeah. And

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again, Oh, the other part
I really like about that book. I

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guess they only have a few seconds
here is the fact of as the dinosaurs

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died out, that the non avian
dinosaurs. So, by the way,

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when you go bird watching, you're
actually dinosaur watching. That's official. Those

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are dinosaurs, and when you start
looking at them as a dinosaur, you

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see them differently. It's amazing because
they are they are a lineage of dinosaurs

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birds. So anyway, the age
of mammals began after the age of dinosaurs.

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And what's so there were mammals around
during the dominance of dinosaurs, but

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they were living underground and nocturnal and
tiny, but they survived the asteroid collision

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and the non avian dinosaurs did not. But then there was a missing,

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a missing link in our understanding of
how those evol how the the how the

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mammals recovered and then radiated after the
demise of the dinosaur. But that's been

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There was a young man in Colorado
that has a you know, actually helped

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to find a huge number of fossils
in these concretions that allowed us to have

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a much better knowledge of how that
evolution took place. There's a wonderful story,

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very interesting, Doctor Penny and I
will be back here. Don't change

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the channel. We have lots more
to talk about. We're also going to

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hear her golden nuggets of wisdom today. Just stay tuned, stay on the

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channel Live your True Life Perspectives with
your host Measley Verdus will be back in

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I'll be back this time in two
shakes. Get in here. You're listening

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to Perspectives with Ashley Burgess. Welcome
back live to likaty Life Perspectives and I'm

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your host Ashley Burgess, Doctor Penny
Norman and I have been talking today about

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all things science, mammals, frogs, planets, all kinds of interesting stuff.

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No matter if you are an adult
or a child, this stuff is

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very interesting, very fun. So, doctor Penny, this is the time

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when I ask all my guests to
give me a couple of amazing nuggets of

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wisdom that you would like to share
with our listeners. And so definitely I

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know that this is right up your
alley. You could probably give us about

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one hundred, but a couple of
them that you'd like to kind of discuss

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right now. All right. So, I think we're in a where we're

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in we're going into a period of
uh where we have the potential to transform

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how we adicate our children that and
it won't just be AI that will change

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this, I think as an example, during COVID, I worked on a

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my actual lifetime goal of mine,
which is to take all this content I've

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created and I know is appealing and
fun for children, or I wouldn't have

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been able to sell as many copies
as I did, but anyway, and

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bring it into the elementary schools because
if we change it there, we change

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it everywhere, and you know,
I know, we have to overcome this

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issue of allocating so little time to
teaching science in elementary school, and I

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think that's at the expense of our
own ability to compete in the world and

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just to have a framework of knowledge. So what I want to convey in

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the process of doing that work and
now adding in the AI, I think

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what I just stumbled into realizing,
which is very interesting, is that maybe

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a little scary is that using the
tools we now have, we actually don't

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have a shortage of science teachers in
elementary school. What we do have is

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a failure to use technology to solve
the problem. And specifically, what I

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mean by that is, with the
newer technology now at hand, one individual,

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one skilled, knowledgeable person in science
can teach an entire district of elementary

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classrooms. It's because of the ability
to use hybrid learning and aot to do

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it beautifully but with high production values. So it's going to be can be

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very very compelling and fun. And
if it isn't fun, I think you've

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lost your audience and the potential for
really teaching this. But it's not anecdotal,

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it's a framework of knowledge. I
agree with that though, being able

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to use the technology is so important
and being able to hone in on that

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doctor Penny, Where do we find
you? Where do we find more information?

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You know, a listener is very
interested, you know, wanting to

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look at the books, but also
kind of the background. Where should they

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go, Well, it's our website, science Whiz that science, and then

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w i Z dot com. Sciencewhiz
dot com is where our products and descriptions

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of them are available. Amazing,
Yeah, it's amazing talking with you.

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I mean, you have a wealth
of knowledge, and it's so great because

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you're giddy about it too, which
is so nice. It's like it's it's

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really refreshing, you know, and
and I think that's what we want our

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kids to be too, is to
is to feel happy and energetic and get

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any like giddy about the things that
they're learning. It's not like force fed.

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It's like it's like being able to
interact and experience it and have fun

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with it and enjoy themselves and learn
things that they didn't know, and learn

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things that they their parents don't even
know, you know what I mean.

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You think about it, It's like
a lot of us are have a limited

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a base of knowledge on a lot
of this stuff because what we were taught

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in school was limited base of knowledge. We're learning less and less about less

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and less. It's kind of scary, exactly, less and less about it.

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I love it about less and less, and it's true and some of

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the things that we're dealing with are
not the important things. And I think

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you're right. It's about creating that
well rounded child, individual person really who

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can move forward in their life in
all areas successfully and starting with the knowledge

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base that they get. And I
think a lot of educational experts have forgotten

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this really really important point. If
you don't love it and you don't find

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it interesting, you haven't been You're
not going to be motivated to continue looking

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at it. And I think they're
so concerned about this theory or that,

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and they lose sight of the most
essential ingredient, which is this stuff is

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just playing fun and why take the
fun out of it? Exactly exactly it

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is fun. And doctor Penny,
I have enjoyed having you on the show

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and I look forward to having you
back on a new show in the future

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if you're willing to come back on. Definitely learned a lot today. I

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love to thank you for having me. Just glad to have you, and

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I'm gonna have some fun with these
books kits and be able to talk to

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because I love this kind of stuff. I mean, I think we're all,

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you know, learning and growing,
and you know that's what life's about.

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Is We're supposed to be learning and
growing every day of our lives,

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no matter what our age is.
Absolutely that's why they say eight to eighty.

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I love it. Yeah on the
boxes, this says eight to eighty.

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Doctor Penny. Thank you so much
for coming on. We appreciate you,

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looking forward to having you on the
future and looking forward to your future

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endeavors that you have because I know
that you have a lot more coming out.

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Thank you so much again for having
me, Ashley, thank you doctor

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Penny was here. We had a
great show. I hope that you can

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share this with your family and friends, because this is interesting, this is

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fun, This is education has changed
in our future and all of us need

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to learn and grow and we can
experience it and love it and be giddy

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in the same time. Say tuned
literature life perspectives with your host me asked

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Burdens will be back in Well,
I'll be back this time I'll be back

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this time. In three shakes,