Jan. 5, 2025

Physical Health is a Strong Foundation for Energy | Dr Michael Cheng - EmSculpt Neo - Ep 157

Physical Health is a Strong Foundation for Energy | Dr Michael Cheng - EmSculpt Neo - Ep 157

This podcast focuses on your physical health and well being. Often, topically, we center on professional and academic success, however, physical health is needed for a strong foundation and energy.Dr Cheng is a chiropractor with over 20 years of practice in the Philadelphia PA area. He serves over 3500 patients providing care including pain management, general chiropractic care, and more. More recently, he has become certified in the use of the EmScuplt Neo system.Dr. Mike Cheng caters to the surrounding community of Abington, PA, and provides thorough medical care for the treatment of a host of conditions related to the musculoskeletal system. Dr. Cheng provides a wide variety and range of different treatment options. His practice operates and favors his treatment modality without the use of narcotic pain medication. He truly believes in "total wellness for your body and mind." This is achieved through accurate diagnosis, finding a safe and effective solution that includes chiropractic, exercise and nutrition. Besides owning and operating his practice at Comprehensive Chiropractic and Rehab Inc, Dr. Cheng is also a registered MRI Technologist (ARRT) at Penn Medicine in Radnor. He truly believes that by understanding MRI imaging can accurately diagnose the patient before treatment and to make the proper referral is the best practice for the interest of his patients.http://bodybybtl.com/EMSCULPT NEO is a non-invasive treatment that eliminates stubborn fat and builds muscle using RF heating and HIFEM technology. Whether your goal is body shaping or muscle re-education and wellness, this 30-minute procedure helps you achieve results without any downtime.Meeting PurposeDiscuss and record a podcast-style interview about Dr. Mike Cheng's new M-Scope Neo technology for fat reduction and muscle toning.Key Takeaways

  • Dr. Mike Cheng introduced M-Scope Neo, a non-invasive fat reduction and muscle toning technology, to his chiropractic practice
  • The device uses radio frequency and electromagnetic energy to burn fat cells and stimulate muscles, with visible results in ~90 days
  • Treatment involves 30-minute sessions, typically 4-6 visits, and is pain-free
  • Dr. Cheng is offering introductory packages (buy 4 get 2 free, or buy 6 get 2 free) and free consultations
TopicsDr. Mike Cheng's Background
  • Raised in Taiwan, moved to the US at age 12
  • Graduated from University of Kansas, then Cleveland University for chiropractic medicine in 2002
  • Practicing chiropractor in Philadelphia area for over 20 years
Chiropractic Philosophy
  • Body has innate ability to heal itself
  • Chiropractic helps realign spine and reset nervous system
  • Goal: help body optimize daily function and performance
M-Scope Neo Technology
  • Uses radio frequency and high-intensity electromagnetic energy
  • Dual function: burns fat cells and stimulates muscle cells
  • Can help with weight loss in stubborn areas and muscle strengthening
  • Also aids in improving joint mobility and range of motion
  • Non-invasive, painless 30-minute sessions
  • Optimal results seen after 90 days (4-6 visits recommended)
  • Contraindicated for those with cardiovascular problems or metal implants
Clinical Evidence and Training
  • 40+ peer-reviewed case studies showing effectiveness
  • Results: ~30% fat reduction, ~25% muscle mass increase
  • Dr. Cheng completed a 2-day seminar and 4-hour practical training
Dr. Greene's Personal Experience
  • Described treatment as tranquil and not painful
  • Felt muscle contractions during treatment
  • Noticed tighter feeling the next day, similar to post-workout
Next Steps
  • Interested individuals can call Dr. Cheng's office to schedule a free consultation
  • Visit Body by BTL website (bodybybtl.com) for more information on the technology
  • Take advantage of introductory rates: buy 4 sessions, get 2 free (or buy 6, get 2 free)
  • Consider scheduling a 5-minute demo to experience the treatment firsthand
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Contant info:Name: Dr. Michael ChengPractice Name: Comprehensive Chiropractic & Rehab, IncAddress: 1422 Easton Rd, Abington, PA 19001Phone #: 215-443-5626Email: info@drmikecheng.comPractice Website:  www.drmikecheng.comEmsculpt Neo site:  https://bodybybtl.com/solutions/emsculpt-neo/Education: Bachelor of Arts from University of Kansas in Biology-- 1999Bachelor of Science from Thomas Jefferson University in Magnetic Resonance Imaging--2018Doctorate from Cleveland University-Kansas City in Chiropractic--2002Additional Training: Acupuncture Physical Medicine-International Academy of Medical Acupuncture--2011Animal Chiropractic--Options for Animals--2014Certification: ARRT: American Registry of Radiologic Technologist: 2018Basic Life Support (CPR) by American Heart Association: Renewed on July of 2024Currently also on staff at Penn Medicine (Radnor)-Per diem MRI technologist
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Dr Steve: All right.

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Dr Steve: So do you have

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Dr Steve: some kind of like a quick bio or something you want me to read, or you just want to

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Dr Steve: like this would be a little different than how I would normally do like a sort of traditional podcast but I'm, not really worried about it.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Like, you know, you graduated from X, and you know you.

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Dr Mike Cheng: yeah, I can. I can do that, too. But.

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Dr Steve: Well, you know what I'll just. I'll just like kind of ask you. It.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Yeah, sure.

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Dr Steve: Alright, because that'll be easier. So alright. So this will be the basic format. Let me get it. I like kind of a piece of paper, just in case

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Dr Mike Cheng: Talking about the podcast right? Now, you want to talk about the trust.

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Dr Steve: What I'm calling it a podcast. But I want you to focus on your new machine.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Right, right.

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Dr Steve: Because I want to basically let this be a commercial for you, for your machine.

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Dr Steve: But I think what we want to do for the first, st maybe 2 or 3 min is just

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Dr Steve: yeah, careful intro, kind of little rapport building. And absolutely

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Dr Steve: so let me I so I'll just kind of, hey? You know. How'd you get to this point, Mike? Or you know what's your background or.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Yeah, yeah.

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Dr Steve: I'll I'll make it work. It'll be easy.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Okay.

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Dr Steve: What you might want to do is

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Dr Steve: down a little so like.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Like so kind of like. You're more in the center of the screen that that's much better. Alright.

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Dr Steve: Alright, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna like

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Dr Steve: countdown to be silent for like 5 seconds. It makes it easier to edit.

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Dr Steve: Good day. Everyone. Dr. Stephen Green. Here the success doctor, another episode

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Dr Steve: of the make, the great experience podcast. Today, we're going to take a little different angle.

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Dr Steve: Often we're talking about success. We're talking about working to your potential. We're talking about all these sort of intellectual sort of things today we're going to talk about your physical health.

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Dr Steve: because without that

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Dr Steve: I'm not sure all the rest of it matters as much as well. So I have a special guest today.

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Dr Steve: friend of mine professional colleague, Dr. Michael Chang. How are you, Michael?

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Dr Mike Cheng: I'm doing fantastic, Dr. Steve, and thank you for having me on here.

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Dr Steve: Welcome welcome. I am glad to have you. We're going to really get into some good stuff today. Just so the audience maybe learns a little bit. Mike Mike is a chiropractor. He has a full-time busy practice in Pennsylvania. It's also got some other skills, these MRI Tech, I think I said that right right. But did you just share a little bit about your body? Where are you from? Where'd you go to school? How did you get to this point, and then we're going to get into a really interesting project. He's got going right now. So

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Dr Steve: tell us a little bit.

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Dr Mike Cheng: I was born and raised in Taiwan, and moved to the United States with my family

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Dr Mike Cheng: at the age of 12, and grew up in a nice

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Dr Mike Cheng: area called Kansas, Dorothy Land, Wizard of Oz.

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Dr Mike Cheng: and I graduated from University of Kansas in a little town called Lawrence, Kansas, and then I did my doctorate

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Dr Mike Cheng: at Cleveland University, in Kansas City for Chiropractic Medicine

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Dr Mike Cheng: and graduate in 20 0. 2, and then moved to Philadelphia area right afterwards.

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Dr Mike Cheng: and I've been here ever since.

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Dr Steve: You've been in practice over 20 years already.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Yes, sir.

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Dr Steve: About that.

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Dr Steve: You still enjoy it.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Yes, I do love helping people feeling better and achieve their full body potential. How about that?

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Dr Steve: There we go. So I'm going to make a case that if somebody's out of whack, and I'm not saying this necessarily in a chiropractic sense. If their health is failing them, or is just, you know, something they have to contend with. I think it makes it more difficult

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Dr Steve: to work towards your professional goals, your life goals, and so on. So I believe in chiropractic. I think it's helped. A lot of people I know not. Everybody, maybe, is a raving fan of it. But but can you give us maybe your philosophy on chiropractic? I know there's there's different schools literally, and there's different kind of channels with it. But what? What's your basic health? Philosophy.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Well, my basic health philosophy is the body has this ability to heal self, if you allow it to do what it needs to do. However, there are a lot of mechanical

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Dr Mike Cheng: physical components that sometimes the body needs a little help.

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Dr Mike Cheng: and by helping the spine realign itself, we kind of reset the nervous system which then controls everything else in your body. So me as a chiropractor's goal, is to help the body the way it needs to do by rebooting the nervous system, so to speak, and then

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Dr Mike Cheng: help the body do what it needs to do in terms of performance.

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Dr Mike Cheng: And you know, optimal daily function.

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Dr Steve: So really, it's nature taking its course, but giving it a little sort of literally shove in the right direction.

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Dr Mike Cheng: That's correct.

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Dr Steve: You can say that I know you've helped hundreds, hundreds, thousands of people. But let's kind of come to the present.

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Dr Steve: you told me, and one of the reasons I wanted to do this episode is, you got a new technology.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Correct.

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Dr Steve: That you've introduced into your office.

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Dr Steve: and it's got the ability to help lots of people.

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Dr Steve: And so let's talk about that. What's it called? What's it? Do.

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Dr Steve: How's it?

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Dr Mike Cheng: The machine itself is called m-scoped neo.

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Dr Steve: M. Sculpt, neo.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Yes, if you want to, you can go to the website called Body by Etl, all in one word, nospace.com.

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Dr Steve: Alright, so we'll have that in the show notes.

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Dr Mike Cheng: And then the machine does 2 things. Primarily

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Dr Mike Cheng: and or strengthen areas where they have difficulty strengthening before.

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Dr Mike Cheng: That's 1 function. The other function is by helping the muscle get stronger. We're also helping the joints around the end. So the other part is, if somebody has difficulty moving. This can potentially help them

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Dr Mike Cheng: in a good way, though. Yes, a good way

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Dr Mike Cheng: Well, in essence we're speeding up the healing time and also getting people back on track.

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Dr Steve: You're taking what the body could do anyway, and and accelerating these processes.

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Dr Mike Cheng: That's correct.

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Dr Steve: So in kind of plain English. What would be the benefit to people? They could lose weight.

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Dr Steve: maybe that they've had trouble doing that because of their lifestyle, or just maybe their genetics. So this must be a very difficult, painful, terrible experience to go through. Is that the case? And that's kind of a leading question. That's why I'm asking. So what actually happens? Maybe describe. But what would this therapy be like.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Well, essentially, the session is about 30 min each time we put a special

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Dr Mike Cheng: paddle or applicator on the area that you want to focus on, and it's in a very relaxed setting. The patient pretty much lay there on their back primarily.

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Dr Mike Cheng: if it's something that they're feeling comfortable, and then the machine does most of the work. Once we

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Dr Mike Cheng: have the applicator in the specific area that you want to focus on but

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Dr Mike Cheng: the the treatment itself is non-invasive. It doesn't hurt at all. You feel the stimulation from the electromagnetic energy.

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Dr Mike Cheng: But essentially, you know, it's it's painless, so to speak.

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Dr Steve: So so what's not to learn? You lay down.

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Dr Steve: You. You get this, the applicator is is placed where it's supposed to go.

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Dr Steve: It does its thing. You relax, and you get all these really great results? Right?

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Dr Mike Cheng: Oh, don't expect the result. Just one visit we recommend typically between 4 to 6 visits

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Dr Mike Cheng: and to really see the optimal results, usually about 90 days. Once you start because I need to absorb the dead fat cells that you know that it's actually, you know, being burned off.

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Dr Mike Cheng: We also have to wait to the muscles get built up. So then you eventually have a decreasing fat and also increase in muscles. So really you will show up. But it doesn't take, you know, one business or 2 business. It takes about 90 days or 3 months. It's full peak results.

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Dr Steve: Which is really true about almost all natural.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Correct.

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Dr Steve: Therapies. You don't expect. This isn't a surgical procedure, liposuction or something a little more radical and stressful to your body.

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Dr Steve: How did you learn about this? Is this something you've you've developed yourself? Is this something that you is this technology been around a long time.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Yeah. So if I'm not mistaken, this technology has been around for over a decade. It is manufactured in Prague in Eastern Europe, headquartered in the United States is actually in Massachusetts. And supposedly they work, you know, like 70 80 countries around the world.

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Dr Mike Cheng: And they're very innovative in terms of technology to help the human body either improve the performance or help its, you know, appearance for the human body.

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Dr Mike Cheng: and.

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Dr Steve: So you're.

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Dr Mike Cheng: I find these technology very interesting and fascinating, that how you can help do that.

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Dr Steve: Interesting. So you're bringing this to your office in in Philadelphia area in Pennsylvania? Yes, and how? How would somebody learn more? Would they call your office. Would they

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Dr Steve: go to a website? I know you listed a website before about the technology.

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Dr Mike Cheng: So they can call my office and schedule a consultation. We do a 15 min consultation to figure out what is their goals to be achieved by this that they couldn't do on themselves. And then we try to figure out if this is something that's good for that. Now, if you have a cardiovascular problem, if anything that's inside you that's you know, implant or metals.

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Dr Mike Cheng: We can't do this for you, because it's like having MRI done. If you have these things inside your body, this will not be for you. So that's the only contraindication that.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Everybody else.

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Dr Mike Cheng: You know, we can definitely talk about what area that they want to focus on, what is the ultimate goal. So we can discuss that as well.

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Dr Steve: I imagine there's a lot of testimonials and positive.

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Dr Mike Cheng: There's been over 40 case studies that they've done since this machine's been out. Peer review studies that shown before and after effects. But it's shown to reduce fat by about 30% increase muscle mass through biopsies by about 25% and also increase muscle strength.

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Dr Mike Cheng: So the results are out there. The question is, what do you want? And what do you want to be.

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Dr Steve: So this does this require a lot of training? Is this something technically is difficult? Did you have to go to some special education or workshop.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Oh, I did attend a 2 day seminar to learn all the technologies, all the research, all the science behind it. And then we had a clinical trainer that drove from Arlington, Virginia.

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Dr Mike Cheng: just this Monday, and we did a 4 h identical, you know, training in my office with myself and my staff

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Dr Mike Cheng: Pros and cons, and what what can be done here in the clinical setting, and also how to use this on the actual patient.

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Dr Steve: Do you feel that you're? I mean? Listen. Obviously, you've got a lot of education, college, professional school 20 years, hands on literally.

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Dr Steve: Do you feel that the combination of your health practice your chiropractic practice makes you maybe better suited to be able to bring this to people.

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Dr Mike Cheng: I think so.

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Dr Mike Cheng: you know, I really want to show people you know what the human body can do. If you actually give a little boost in the right direction. And I also know this time of the year New Year. A lot of people have, you know, the same New year resolution, mostly trying to lose weight.

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Dr Steve: Yeah.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Better this and that, but then, somehow, they lose that motivation. After about January, February.

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Dr Mike Cheng: I'm just saying so. Essentially, I'm hoping this can at least help whoever wants to get on that right path

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Dr Mike Cheng: a boost in the right direction, and then that will motivate them to really stay on track.

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Dr Mike Cheng: But in terms of my profession, in terms of my training. I see people in pain all the time, and a lot of times. It's because they don't have enough muscle mass to do what I need to do, strengthen their core, strengthen their back.

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Dr Mike Cheng: and maybe by doing this, decrease the fat in the area that's not really helping them and get them back to where they need to be. So therefore everything works better together.

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Dr Steve: Perfect, perfect. So this is the make the great experience podcast my, your host is myself, Dr. Steve Green, our guest, today, Dr. Michael Chang, chiropractor and practitioner of this.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Hope I'm saying it right. Mwave neo device right scope, neo.

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Dr Steve: And scope neo device. So those of you know, I take this podcast very seriously. We bring a lot of people in here. I did. I had to do some field work here

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Dr Steve: before I brought this to the world. I wanted to experience this. I wanted to make sure I felt this was something worth talking about. I'm not like, you know, professionally endorsing this. I'm not a spokesperson. I'm not on the payroll, but I was able to go to Dr. Mike's office and have a few sessions in different parts of my abdomen.

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Dr Steve: Those of you know me. I'm pretty healthy. I could cut a little bit of weight at certain parts of my body probably could be sculpted a lot better. And I'm just going to share my experience. Okay, so it's it's like this, probably about 8 inch 9 inch long, I guess. Call it a paddle. My 1st comment was, it's like those things you see on TV when they

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Dr Steve: have the person cry in, and they shock their hearts clear. But but they only use one at a time, and if you ever use what what I know is what's called a tens machine.

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Dr Steve: which, because I've been, I've done chiropractic care, and it kind of you turn it on, and it kind of like tingles, and then it starts to make your muscle contract. It's a relaxation thing, and it really just feels like that.

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Dr Steve: And my experience was very tranquil

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Dr Steve: kind of just sort of laying there on a table, kind of pulses like, and it causes so it's sort of like a pulse, pause, pulse, pause or different. I think you told me 5 or 6 different kinds of pulses. It's not painful in the least. You do feel a contracting, and then the other thing I'll say is, there's really no big after effect. The next day it does feel tighter. It feels like you did sit ups

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Dr Steve: or crunches or leg lifts, or something that exercised your 6 pack.

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Dr Steve: I don't know what the name of this technically doesn't need. Those muscles are probably have a medical name, and and it's not uncomfortable at all. And I felt like this was something that

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Dr Steve: I don't know if there's a side effect. But I think there can only be a positive benefit. So I'm looking forward to continuing the therapy.

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Dr Steve: and you know we got some before and after pictures we'll see if they're suitable for sharing in this realm. But, Mike, what are you excited about? I mean, I know you want to help people. I know this is an extension of that. Is there anything in particular that led you to seek out this device to bring it into your professional office? Maybe that we haven't talked about yet.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Well, I think, 99% time. When I see patients, they're coming in primarily because of pain. But then, once they leave my office. It's almost like outside, out in mind. So hopefully, with what we do here.

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Dr Mike Cheng: we can really transform people's bodies. So when they get up in the morning after about 3, 4 months. They look at the transformation because of this, and then really continue to, you know, improve their health on this journey, and then chiropractic is just another adjunc that can help them stay aligned, stay moving and whatnot. So I'm now able to do things that other chiropractors can do, which is the aesthetic side.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Try to help them look better. And then, if they're really motivated, then, you know, this is something that they probably couldn't achieve before just by doing

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Dr Mike Cheng: working out the gym or whatnot. So. And right now in my area, I'm the only chiropractor that has this technology in the whole entire Philadelphia region. So I'm I'm willing and, you know, excited, to see if I can bring what I do as a chiropractor along with this technology to really combine the best of both worlds.

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Dr Steve: So the theory is which I think is sound. Once somebody kind of starts the wheel turning of health, they get more motivated, they feel better. Then they they can go faster. They can do more, being active. So they're kind of health.

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Dr Steve: Kind of it's an exponential increase as opposed to like off on, off! On which a lot of yo-yo dieting all that stuff.

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Dr Steve: hey? Again, Mike, thanks for coming on. I wish you all the luck with this professionally. I know people once they start doing this are going to have really good results. Once again, if you look in the show notes, it'll all be there. But well, if somebody wants, if somebody's interest is peaked, what's the easiest way for them to reach you to set up a consultation.

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Dr Mike Cheng: So call my office is the best. Right now we're still revamping our website. But like I said, you can call my office to schedule a free consult. And then the website for this technology is body by Btl, BODY BY btl.com that you can see the technology. And then let's see if this is the right treatment for you, because this may not be for you.

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Dr Mike Cheng: you know, due to these things we talked about. So love to have a conversation first, st to see if this is really what

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Dr Mike Cheng: you know, bridge the gap and get you the results? You're looking for.

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Dr Steve: Beautiful. Is there? Is there any last question here? And then I'll try one thing real quick.

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Dr Steve: any any you know. Kind of package is there? Is there? You know. I don't want to use the word. I don't wanna sell your business for you, but sure, is there an advantage for somebody. Take advantage of this sooner than later. Maybe. Let me put it to you that.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Well, because it's a new year. And this is a new technology. We do have a, you know, new introduction rate

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Dr Mike Cheng: where you can buy 4 sessions and you get 2 free sessions. After that.

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Dr Steve: There you go!

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Dr Mike Cheng: And then there's also, as you can buy 6 and get 2 more. The idea is, you do enough that hopefully we could get you to a certain place, and then the rest could be used for maintenance. There's no expiration date, so to speak.

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Dr Mike Cheng: That's helpful.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Ultimately I want to get you jump started and then see, you know, maybe in 3, 4 months, 5, 6 months, we can do a maintenance. But ultimately everybody's, you know, beginning a fitness level is different.

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Dr Mike Cheng: No, I can't really say. Oh, you know, Bob, who is 35 years old, who's a Marathon runner.

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Dr Steve: Yeah, it's good.

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Dr Mike Cheng: All that visits compared to somebody who is, you know, not in the best shape have, you know, chronic arthritis can't move very well, and that person might need more.

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Dr Steve: But but right now you're willing to give people a deal where you know they're gonna get a couple of free sessions or whatever which is always.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Yeah, we can even do like a 5 min demo to see if this is.

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Dr Mike Cheng: you know, something that they can tolerate. Get the feel of it, you know. So that's something that we can do in my office. So this way, you really can see, because you can only learn so much by watching the videos until you actually experience it that way. It feels like it really is hard to tell. You have to do at least, you know 3 or 4 sessions to really see a drastic difference.

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Dr Steve: There we go.

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Dr Steve: Dr. Stephen Green, and make the great experience podcast. We are not just bringing you success principles and theories on how to get where you want to get professionally and academically, but also how to take care of yourself. Physically, Dr. Chang. Thank you very much. I heard a rumor today. Is your birthday. Is this true?

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Dr Mike Cheng: You know what it is. True. It.

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Dr Steve: You believe this? On his birthday his birthday takes time out to come. Visit his buddy, Dr. Steve and the podcast well, happy birthday. Let me do this. I do this with all my guests real quick. 5 things, so people can learn something about you ready.

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Dr Mike Cheng: And my Mike don't know this was coming. This is so just.

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Dr Steve: Favorite flavor of ice cream.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Manila.

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Dr Steve: Oh, man, this nobody ever says Manila, which is my favorite.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Really, it's mine.

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Dr Steve: Last 3 podcasts, 2 people, said vanilla. Incredible favorite color.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Blue.

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Dr Steve: You know what? The right answer is, what green?

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Dr Steve: Yeah. Blue's good, too. Blue's good

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Dr Steve: favorite song. You had a favorite song.

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Dr Mike Cheng: There's many, many favorite songs I can think of, but my face, my favorite genre, is Classy Rock.

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Dr Steve: Classic rock. There we go, all right. Favorite kind of food.

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Dr Mike Cheng: I'm a foodie, so I really don't have a favorite food, but

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Dr Steve: What are you having for dinner tonight.

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Dr Mike Cheng: We.

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Dr Steve: Same time.

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Dr Mike Cheng: Food. But that's not really fair. I have that every day, but

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Dr Mike Cheng: I really enjoy Indian food. Believe it or not.

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Dr Steve: Indian nice.

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Dr Steve: I think I know the answer to this, because I know what you're doing the next week. What's your favorite place to vacation?

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Dr Mike Cheng: Somewhere warm this time of year, like the Caribbean.

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Dr Steve: Tell me about it. It's like 15 degrees here, or something crazy.

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Dr Steve: Well, listen, Mike, thank you again for coming on. Hey? Please reach out. You got nothing to lose except maybe some fat, maybe some self-esteem, you know, you increase, you feel better. So let's take advantage of this, and we'll go from there. Dr. Steve, to make the great experience podcast signing off, for now we will see you in the next episode.